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Prison sentences, second paragraph

From the second paragraph:

In April 2009, the website's founders (Peter Sunde, Fredrik Neij and Gottfrid Svartholm) were found guilty in The Pirate Bay trial ... and were sentenced to serve one year in prison and pay a fine. ... Founders Svartholm, Neij, and Sunde were all released by 2015 after having served shortened sentences.

This is confusing... they were imprisoned 6 years and this is a shortened sentence? The paragraph really needs to be rewritten. -Rolypolyman (talk) 17:10, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

It often takes time before a sentence starts due to appeals or running. O3000 (talk) 17:47, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

March 2018 downtime

The Pirate Bay is Offline (2018)
Cloudflare error message. Don't panic.

Re this edit: The site's availability has been wobbly during the past week.[1] The TorrentFreak article says that this is due to the usual technical problems rather than the site going offline.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:36, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I came here to say something similar. The article says it's online, but it seems to be down. Is there a reliable source saying it's currently online? Benjamin (talk) 22:12, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Flakiest site on the 'Net. Appears up now. O3000 (talk) 00:28, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Up for me. However, it's common for the site to go offline for several hours, and this isn't worth mentioning in the article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Re this edit. It's back up again. Another brief (less than 24 hours) outage adding to the long history of unreliablity in TPB's hosting.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:20, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
And back again. When the site has problems it usually produces a Cloudflare error message. The most recent outage was a good few hours long but less than 24 hours as predicted. As the HTML note says, the status should not be changed unless the outage is at least 24 hours and covered in reliable sources.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:15, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Down

Looks like it's down since yesterday, per this the https version has been down since June 11 6:45 pm. Today there's Techworm.net confirmation. Brandmeistertalk 18:28, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

The site is still available on Tor (anonymity network), which has been a feature of past outages. The .onion version seems to work even when the clearweb version is down. TPB's official Twitter page hasn't commented on why the site is down, and the outage is longer than usual. No panics just yet due to the long history of outages, but this needs watching.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:12, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
And it's back up. It was probably an issue with the Cloudflare hosting again.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:51, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Re this edit: The best way to monitor the site's unpredictable hosting is at the status page. Yes, it's been down for over 24 hours on the clearweb , and the Tor version has been patchy as well, but it is up on Tor at the moment (I've checked this). The problem with saying that the site is offline is that it gives the impression that the site has gone offline permanently, which it hasn't because 2018 has seen the site up and down like a yo-yo. I'm sure that the site will return when they have hit the server cabinet with a hammer or whatever.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:49, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Another note: You cannot use sites like downforeveryoneorjustme as sites that use CDNs like Cloudflare should always appear up even if the server has exploded. O3000 (talk) 12:59, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
And it's back. The outage this time has been nearly a week.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Tor/Onion links

This has been talked about many times here but is the tor/onion link as found on its website piratebay.org not allowed anywhere on the pirate bay wiki page. Not in infobox. Not even in external links. I did an edit using the Onion Official site template https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Onion_Official_site but it has been reverted by Objective3000. I stopped reverting back so as not to go in edit wars but what is the use of the template then. On a snide note Objective3000 seems not to be very objective and is the remover of many pirate bay onion link. Perhaps an administrator or higher up can look into his edits for objectivity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.136.123.48 (talk) 16:34, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there is an outright policy ban on Tor links, and would welcome a clarification on this from someone who could give a definitive answer. It isn't in dispute that TPB has a tor/onion link [2] although it would need to be reliably sourced. There is a problem with people adding all sorts of proxies and mirrors which are unofficial and in some cases dangerous, and these are rightly removed.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:19, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
The website infobox documentation refers to WP:ELOFFICIAL for rules on use of the website parm. As per subsection WP:ELMINOFFICIAL, Normally, only one official link is included. If the subject of the article has more than one official website, then more than one link may be appropriate, under a very few limited circumstances. Incidentally, onion links have been blacklisted except for a handful (e.g. facebook) that have been specifically whitelisted. As I said, this has been discussed at great length and editors revert to consensus when a new editor goes against that consensus. But, you are perfectly welcome to file a complaint against me. O3000 (talk) 20:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
DuckDuckGo also has an onion link version but it isn't in the infobox. Facebook's onion link isn't in the infobox either. I think that the consensus is not to have the link in the infobox per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL, which says "More than one official link should be provided only when the additional links provide the reader with significant unique content and are not prominently linked from other official websites." The version of TPB on Tor is exactly the same as the clearweb version (this is also true of Facebook and DuckDuckGo). The main page at thepiratebay.org contains a link to the Tor version (screenshot) so it is prominently linked.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:00, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
In my opinion, the onion link can be added since it's official. --dqwyy (talk) from zhwiki 06:23, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
It isn't the official url and doesn't have unique content. Also, we aren't supposed to use links that require special software to use. O3000 (talk) 11:59, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
I think both thepiratebay.org and uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion are officia, because the latter is listed on the official website (see the screenshot provided by User:ianmacm above). --dqwyy (talk) from zhwiki 14:38, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
The reasons against this have already been discussed above. O3000 (talk) 14:45, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
I concur with Objective3000. This has been discussed and rejected before. Wikipedia is not a directory. We are able to cover the subject encyclopedically without listing ever possible way to get to the subject's dark web site.- MrX 🖋 20:25, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Previous discussions: 2015, 2015,2017 - MrX 🖋 20:34, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Official website template

Re this edit: the "official url" template is currently redirecting to https://tea0539.blogspot.com/p/the-pirate-bay_17.html which is most definitely not thepiratebay.org. There are characters in Chinese (Green Tea News according to Google Translate). I'm not sure why this is happening and would welcome suggestions on this. Anyway, we can't link to something that is obviously not the official url. Raised this at WP:ANI.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:15, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I changed it in Wikidata. But, it's been changed there four times -- so that may not keep working. O3000 (talk) 10:48, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
As I said at ANI, the same user has also done this at xHamster. It's a Hong Kong IP address and someone is being very persistent. Due to the possible malware issue, this should be fixed as soon as possible.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:53, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I think it's best to retain our own copy of the link on a high risk/profile page such as this, instead of using the Wikidata template. Both sites are occasionally subject to spamming of course, but we are far more able to control what happens here instead of on the other site. Speaking of which, I've added some temporary protection to the article to help deal with this. -- zzuuzz (talk) 11:55, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
This should not be an issue any longer. I've semi-protected the item for 6 months, which should keep out the spam. Most likely the next step would be indefinite protection.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:04, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Hopefully this works, but the consensus of the discussion at ANI is that relying on an external source from Wikidata is problematic with high profile URLs. TPB is on Wikidata here and it was persistent spamming that led to the problem in the enwiki article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 04:43, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
This field in this article is the single most active target of spamming I've seen in WP since spamming of gambling related pages by online casinos has died down. O3000 (talk) 10:59, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Re this edit: as things stand, I would be happier to give the URL directly, rather than relying on what is happening over at Wikidata. The page on Wikidata is protected until 30 May 2020 so it is relatively immune to spamming at the moment.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:57, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
You may be right. Folks can still vandalize it here. But, there are likely more people watchlisting it here. Indefinite protection at WikiData would be better yet. O3000 (talk) 12:26, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Objective3000, you don't want to do that .. that means that there will not be any other data that you can add to that page on WikiData either and have to wait for established user (likely a too low a protection level) or admin intervention. And you'd have to protect at least half of WikiData, it is becoming a welcome primary target for vandalism and spam. Dirk Beetstra T C 12:39, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Objective3000: It depends a lot on how things go after 30 May 2020. If there is any more of the intense spamming that occurred during 2019, it would be better to bypass Wikidata, because there are probably more regular users watching the Wikipedia page here than there are watching the Wikidata version.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:14, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Yep. O3000 (talk) 17:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2020

Please change "Current status" from Online to Offline in the infobox; the website has had an outage due probably to the ongoing pandemic. ISpitonYourGravy (talk) 06:05, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

  •  Not done On the clearweb, the site does appear to be down right now and is producing the familiar "Error 522 Connection timed out" message from Cloudflare. The site often does this for reasons that are unclear, as mentioned in the article. However, during the 522 outages, the site often remains up on the Tor .onion version, as the official status page shows. I've just checked the .onion version and the site is still up there. This looks like another of the weird Error 522 outages, but the site is not offline completely.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
  • There is a piece in TorrentFreak about the current downtime here which indicates that the.org version has been down since early March 2020, making this a considerable outage. As usual, the cause of the Error 522 Cloudflare message is a mystery to the site's rather untalkative admins, but the article adds "A few years ago, 24-hours of downtime was a reason for many people to panic, but right now a week of downtime can pass without much fuss." The .onion version is rapidly becoming the official version, because nobody at TPB can say what the technical problem behind the 522 error message is, or when it might be fixed.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:51, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
    • Yeah, the downtime is now at least one month long, starting around 8 March or so. We can update the article accordingly. Proxies work normally as usual. Brandmeistertalk 09:18, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

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Related: [ https://www.torproject.org/about/trademark/ ]. --Guy Macon (talk) 06:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
It's the Tor logo, and despite reading the link, I still couldn't figure out whether this is fair use or not. It seems to have been uploaded in 2011 with a good faith belief that it wasn't. It is not a key part of this article anyway.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:57, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
It's been granted OTRS so it won't be deleted. Judging by the link above, the Tor logo has a Creative Commons 3.0 license and can be used sensibly to explain what Tor is.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

@Obsuser: would you please explain why you are so insistent on replacing the SVG logo with smaller JPEG logo with the white background? - MrX 🖋 22:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't know is that SVG original; JPG is, I took it from website main page and uploaded it to Commons. --Obsuser (talk) 05:58, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
The 275 × 295 pixels JPEG is the exact image from the current main page of TPB. The SVG image is accurate but it is a derivative work, albeit copyright free.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
And we want to use the JPEG rather than the SVG ... why? Is there some policy that mandates using the exact image that a website uses?
"File:The Pirate Bay logo.svg is a vector version of this file. It should be used in place of this raster image when not inferior." -- [ https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Pirate_Bay.jpg ]
--Guy Macon (talk) 09:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
The SVG image has a transparent background and it's larger (and scalable), which is an improvement over the original. - MrX 🖋 11:27, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Guy Macon, MrX, ianmacm: Just a heads up in case anyone is expecting a response from them, I've blocked Obsuser for two weeks due to their continued edit warring at this and other articles, after being warned. I have no view on the matter of which file to use, images aren't really my bag, but feel free to sort it out amongst yourselves. GirthSummit (blether) 11:43, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Added link about sci-hub

Onlyforwikiapps (talk) 22:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

What Happened between 2009 and 2015?

The Lede says they were convicted in 2009, sentenced to a year, and released from prison early in 2015. I assume that there was an appeals process that took years, but the discrenpancy in the dates make it look like an error. It's a "stumbling block" for the Reader. No need for too much detail, but there could be a transistion word in there like "eventually", after "lengthly appeals" etc... and also more specfic than "shortened" unless they weren't uniform. The Lede is supposed to "invite" the Reader to read further into the body, but in this case I felt like I had to because the Lede might be in error.68.206.248.178 (talk) 23:36, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Registration is closed

According to TorrentFreak, the last new user added to the site was on 22 May 2019.[3] The screenshot here was taken today; it still shows a link for registration, but it does nothing and simply links back to the main index page. It seems that the ban on new user registrations is ongoing, although this is hard to source.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Changing the profile picture

Hi everyone. I suggest changing the profile picture into the dark version of the logo because it suits a little bit better and if I'm not mistaken, it's the original logo. Could someone please do this? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.1.220.13 (talk) 14:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

It should be the version of the logo that is most commonly used on the main page. I've just had a look and it is the usual brown ship on a white background, as seen in the infobox.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:03, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Is the brown ship the original logo rather than the black one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.12.181.31 (talk) 22:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi there again. I'm still waiting for a reply to my question. It's been a while now... Please reply! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.90.252.167 (talk) 20:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

As I've said above, it should be the version of the logo that is most commonly used on the main page. This aids recognition rather than using a version that is not currently used to identify the site.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:27, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

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SSL or TLS?

Re this edit: the problem is that it is overriding a direct quote in the source, where Peter Sunde says "Many people have asked me what we're planning to do -- and the answer is "A lot!". We're going to help out in any way we can with fighting the law. This week we're going to add SSL to The Pirate Bay."[4] ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

The source was quoted in 2008, which was when TLS 1.2 had already been released. This would mean SSL was deprecated at that point, and the HTTP servers that support adding protocol-level encryption would've been enabling TLS (if not 1.2, it would at least be 1.0). The person was likely just using the term loosely (as it tends to be used to this day). Getsnoopy (talk) 06:39, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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