Talk:Theater an der Wien

Category:Theatres in Austria vs, Category:Opera houses in Austria
Category:Opera houses in Austria is itself a category within Category:Theatres in Austria. — Robert Greer (talk) 15:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Salieri's "Die Neger"
The article currently includes list of works premiered in the Theater that have "endured to this day". I'm moving the following element of this list to the talk page:


 * 1804 (November 10) Die Neger, the last opera composed by Antonio Salieri

The reason is that it's not clear that Die Neger really has endured to the present day. The one recording I could find has only the overture and one piece of incidental music; and I couldn't find any evidence at all of modern performances. So it seems at least possible that Die Neger today is merely a dusty document studied by musicologists...

In any event, if there really is evidence that this opera is performed or recorded today, then I'd be fine with it going back in. Or, if we like, we could stop limiting the list to enduring works and instead just have an utterly promiscuous premiere list instead (though that might get a bit long). Opus33 (talk) 16:39, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you're right to be dubious whether this work has "endured to this day". I suspect though that what we now see as a limiting condition was just a rethorical flourish by the original editor – look at the opening part of that sentence, all of which could be omitted without loss. Similarly, whether Salieri's Die Neger is mentioned in this list or not doesn't matter much. As for the more general question of having such lists at all: A few other articles about opera houses list their premieres, e.g. La Scala, Semperoper, National Theatre Munich, and the limiting factor seems to be the presence of an article on the work here or at least in some other Wikipedia. I think these lists are quite interesting. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:12, 17 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Michael, On reflection, I agree with you. I've rephrased and shortened the opening sentence of that section, and put Salieri back. I hope this fix works for you.  Regards, Opus33 (talk) 15:35, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

List of operas performed since the reopening as a opera house
This is getting quite long. The prose up front promises a list of only the works "not in the standard repertoire". I'm suggesting that the following are in the standard repertoire and could be deleted. Any objections?


 * Debussy: Pelléas et Mélisande
 * Gluck: Orfeo ed Euridice
 * Mozart Idomeneo
 * Puccini:Il trittico
 * Weber: Der Freischütz

If, on the other hand, we really do want to list everything, I think it should be a complete, chronologically-ordered list and be separated off as a satellite article. Opus33 (talk) 04:02, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * "outside the standard repertoire" is obviously an utterly subjective criterion, and the works you mention, and others, certainly illustrate that point. As the list stands, without years and without sources, I think the article wouldn't lose much if it were removed, or at least trimmed. On the other hand, it might be worthwhile to create Category:Opera world premieres at the Theater an der Wien in Category:Operas by world premiere location. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:07, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I do agree that the list (as it is) should be shortened, and fullheartedly agree that the above mentioned works can be considered part of the standard repertoire (a short check at Operabase (in the time from 2017-08-07 to 2018-08-07) gives for
 * Pelleas et Melisande: 76 performances in 15 productions in 13 cities
 * Orfeo ed Euridice (including the French version): 139 performances in 31 productions in 29 cities
 * Idomeneo: 35 performances in 8 productions in 8 cities
 * Il trittico split into its 3 parts
 * Il tabarro: 46 performances in 20 productions in 19 cities
 * Suor Angelica: 51 performances in 21 productions in 20 cities
 * Gianni Schicchi: 121 performances in 35 productions in 32 cities)
 * Freischütz: 117 performances in 20 productions in 17 cities)
 * Possibly also includes Katja Kabanova (49 performances in 8 productions in 8 cities) and Dialogues des Carmélites (52 performances in 9 productions in 9 cities)
 * Compare: Ariodante: 28 performances in 8 productions in 8 cities, Orlando paladino: 25 performances in 4 productions in 3 cities, Dead Man Walking: 13 performances in 3 productions in 3 cities, Mathis der Maler: 8 performances in 2 productions in 2 cities, Platée 0 performances. AccioFelicis (talk) 09:50, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Schönerer Era in late 19th Century
I propose adding a paragraph toward the end of the Early history about the involvement of director Schönerer:
 * From 1889 to 1905, Alexandrine von Schönerer was managing director after the lease ended in 1884 between her and the librettist Camillo Walzel.
 * Source:

- DutchTreat (talk) 12:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Updated complete - DutchTreat (talk) 13:08, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposal: pictures of foyer
The building with the modern entrance belies the real theater building behind the 4 storey building. That theater is, if I am right, visible from Google Earth aerial view and is behind - many meters - behind the modern entrance which more looks like a residential building with small down-to-earth entrance doors. In the alley 90° degrees to the main street there is an "Old Entrance" with the "Shikaneder" sculpture over the portals and there is also a marble tablet with the name of a director Schönerer from second half 1800's. Pictures from the inner stairs and the rooms outside the theater hall would be so helpful to understand the building and its grandeur or lack of same. If possible some pictures behind the scenes and from rehearsals would be a wonderful supplement. To think that Beethoven held a benefit concert there Dec.22nd 1808 with 4 hours of his best music! d-axel (talk) 00:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia can only use what's available at Commons:Category:Theater an der Wien. The German article at de:Theater an der Wien has a more pleasing arrangement of images, and that's worth imitating here. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)