Talk:Third stream

Bolling, No?
How is Claude Bolling not even mentioned in this article? He is frequently described as third stream in various jazz enthusiast sources, for example, right at the top of the page right here:

https://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/artist/claude-bolling

Even if someone wants to argue "he doesn't quite fit," he should at least be mentioned, if for no other reason than to clear up any confusion (but, he does fit, IMHO).

Question
Is the Loussier trio stuff Third Stream?--Light current 00:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Third Stream/Third stream
For similar reasons as why "New Wave" is "New Wave", I've returned "Third stream" to the initial "Third Stream". Qwerty (talk) 06:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This still seems to be variable throughout. 70.48.251.239 (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the variability, now all that's needed is the move, again. Rothorpe (talk) 21:55, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * has requested that I move this article as suggested here seven years ago. Before I do so, I'd like to see some sort of evidence that it is universally referred to in good sources by the upper-case title., , are you still interested in this matter? --John (talk) 12:42, 30 June 2018 (UTC)


 * German has Third Stream, and AllMusic, and this. If lc, it should be "third stream", no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:05, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * German uses capitalisation very differently from English. Britannica and the New Yorker use lower case, and so does this site. If the sources are mixed, as they appear to be, in my opinion we should use lower case, as that is our house style. --John (talk) 13:48, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Frank Zappa
Doesn't he fit the description to a T? -- megA (talk) 15:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Zappa wrote classical music and rock, not so much jazz. In fact, he regularly disparaged jazz in interviews. It's true he did once release a record called Jazz from Hell, but nothing on it sounds anything like actual jazz to me. I would advise against mentioning Zappa in this article. TheScotch (talk) 07:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Keith Jarrett, Miles and others
Keith Jarrett, Chick Corea, Pat Metheny and Gil Evans strike me as jazz musicians/band leaders who clearly inherited some of the aspirations and methods of the Third Stream, though not, of course, the actual sound of the folks who were dubbed TS in the 1950s. They all work both with extended improvisations and with dynamic, phrasing and structural elements that owe a great deal to classical music - and they make those two aspects face each other or interlace within the same musical language. Jarrett's Personal Mountains and Metheny's Secret Story are just two fairly obvious (and very accomplished!) album-length examples of this.

Interestingly, three out of those four guys just mentioned worked with Miles Davis and received critical influences from him - Metheny didn't actually play with Miles but there's not much doubt he was also influenced by him in the seventies and eighties. Miles moved in another direction himself but he's a key figure in spreading/developing these ideas and concepts I think. (And hey, no one is required to add any finger-wags here ab out OR or the like - this talk page doesn't ~have to offer sources, the above makes suggestions for what to look for in expanding what is, at present, a fairly sketchy article). Strausszek (talk) 23:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Hiromi Uehara? Henrik Thiil Nielsen (talk) 07:29, 6 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Did you look at Category:Third stream pianists? There are a couple there who are not yet mentioned here. Looking at Keith Jarrett I see he's got Category:Mainstream jazz pianists, so might be best to start with his article (or also at Hiromi Uehara, etc.) ? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Cecil Taylor was classically trained rather than emerged from his local and contemporary jazz milieu, and has done avant garde jazz for which “mainstream avant-garde” guys like Ornette Coleman have manifested utter incomprehension. Dnavarro (talk) 07:08, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

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