Talk:Tibradden Mountain

Merger proposal
It is proposed to merge Tibradden with this article on the basis that: -Joe King (talk) 17:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) It unnecessarily duplicates content already contained here in the Tibradden Mountain article
 * 2) There is a significant overlap between the content in the two articles
 * 3) The content in Tibradden is minimal and can be better presented in context with the material about the mountain on which the monument stands
 * Support, for reasons stated above - Joe King (talk) 17:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, neither the townland nor settlement of Tibradden are being considered separately in the Tibradden article. --O&#39;Dea (talk) 19:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

See also section
Given that it replicates links that are already at the foot of the article in the Mountains and Hills of Leinster infobox, this is surely redundant? - Joe King (talk) 19:15, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I reflected on that duplication before I restored it: the presentation of the link in the template does not exactly draw the eye. It is quite small text on a standard high-resolution 1440 x 900 laptop display and is easily missed among all the mountains mentioned, but it is useful to have it in the template, too: it does not clutter the monitor real estate down there. --O&#39;Dea (talk) 19:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Tibradden is not in the Wicklow Mountains though - Joe King (talk) 19:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, it irks me that the Dublin Mountains are subsumed into the so-called "Wicklow Range" in Wikipedia and elsewhere. I like the Wicklow Mountains but they do exist across their own county border. I have even been building, this morning, a separate template for the Dublin Mountains, and will be taking it from my sandbox to Wikipedia in a few minutes, but have not decided where to embed it, for now. --O&#39;Dea (talk) 19:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC)    ...videlicet — Template:Mountains and hills of County Dublin  --O&#39;Dea (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I have to admit that I would take the opposite view: to me it's obvious that, regardless of the arbitrary geopolitical division that exists, the Dublin/Wicklow Mountains are part of the one range and were all formed in the same geological event. The Wikipedia article should reflect this and be titled Dublin-Wicklow Mountains and should discuss the Dublin Mountains in the article. However, I suspect any attempt to get a name change will result in the various sides donning respective GAA jerseys and arguing they're separate. Your proposed template only serves to highlight the problem: are Corrig, Glendoo, Kippure, Knocknagun, Prince William's Seat and Seefingan in Dublin? In a lot of cases even the most authoritative sources will be divided and contradictory. If you stand on their summits and orient yourself the right way you can put one foot in Dublin and the other in Wicklow. I won't mention that Killakee Mountain is definitely in Dublin but is also in the Wicklow Mountains National Park. Go figure. BTW, Black Hill and Seefin are definitely in Wicklow and should not be in the list. And you've left out Carrickgollogan (which is going to be the subject of a future article once I get back from me hols).  - Joe King (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Rock carvings
Can't put this in the main article as it would be original research but while out shooting pictures at the monument today I went looking for the outcrop reported to have a carving of a cross and a human face. With a bit of searching, aided by the photograph in Rathfarnham Roads by Patrick Healy, I found the rock. You can still just about make out the outline of the cross but the face has completely disappeared. I took a few photographs but the image of the cross is so faint you can't make it out at all. To find the rock, when heading towards the summit along the trail from Two Rock, when you reach the wooden bog bridge that traverses the summit area turn left across the heather and make for the outcrop of tors. The stone you are looking for is right in front of you; it is rectangular in shape and about 1.5m high. It's a good idea to bring a copy of Paddy Healy's picture for identification: a link to a pdf of the book is in the bibliography section. - Joe King (talk) 19:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)