Talk:Time in China

The map
It's not a very nice idea to write down creator's name. I thought this scenario had happened before. :-) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 11:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd wonder if there's any evidence to back the time zone boundaries. The administrative division borders were not drawn accurately too. Outer Mongolia was simply known as Mongolia as an area. &mdash; Instantnood 16:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Same time zone
The uniform time zone was not introduced immediately after the communist takeover, but a product in the late 1970s or early 80s. &mdash; Instantnood 16:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Let's write the article together
I have been preparing this article in my user space. But it seems that there are already a lot of suggestions about the article even though it is not finished. Let's write this article together. It is always easy to criticize. If you have any criticism on this article, don't go around blaming people, but improve it! :-) - Alanmak 00:57, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Beijing capital of China...
"Before that, time varied, while astrological predictions was conducted according to the time standard based on the location of Beijing, then capital of the imperial dynasties."

Beijing only became the capital since the mid-Ming dynasty. It is necessary to specify which time period we are referring to.--Jiang 07:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Official full name
Re edits by user:Alanmak:  - The full name of the territory is "Hong Kong Special Adminsitrative Region of the People's Republic of China". If anybody has got any evidence that its full name is indeed "Hong Kong Special Administrative Region", instead of the one mentioned above, please kindly present them for discussion. Thanks. (Please respond at talk:District Council of Hong Kong.) &mdash; Instantnood 22:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


 * IMO it is not very important to go by the official full name. A convinient and clear name is sufficiant here. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 21:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * In that case simply "Hong Kong" and "Macau" is already adequate. Nevertheless I don't think there's any harm to include their official full names for this particular instance. The problem here is that user:Alanmak has insisted to break each of the official full names into two wikilinks. &mdash; Instantnood 17:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Todo list
I've added a todo list template to capture the items that are currently commented out or marked by stubs in the article. This will maybe bring more attention to other editors that might be able to contribute -- Bovineone 05:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Hong Kong
I hope I'm doing this right... please forgive me if this ends up in wrong place.

Two comments:

Post-1997, official name of HK is big deal as mainland seems to have problem with connection to colonial administration if using previous name, so probably best to call it by what mainland wants it to be called by.

In HK, time is defined by law. There is also another law that provides for summer time. It is not a policy matter. -Brett GRAHAM  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.17.196.200 (talk • contribs) 11:20, May 22, 2006 (UTC).

Taiwan
Taiwan are faced with a problem. If they move to UTC+9, they assert their symbolic independence from China, but they also symbolically revert to Japanese colonialism, although when Taiwan was colonized by Japanese, Taiwan weren't using UTC+9. I think they should move to UTC+8:30. 203.167.171.249 22:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

1939 executive order/law?
In the main article:
 * These time zones were ratified in 1939 in the standard time conference of the Ministry of Interior of the Executive Yuan.

Can someone verify and perhapses find it on National Library, some historical archives? I couldn't find it in MOJ Law database (I guess it doesn't contain everything on pre-WW II times)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timdream (talk • contribs) 10:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Kunlun Time
Text says it is [local mean] time on the longitude 82°15'E; I wonder if it should be 82° 30’ E instead, which is Indian Standard Time ; however I cannot decide if this is a typo in wikipedia, or if Kunlun Time was really based on this longitude (meaning it was really GMT+5:29). The article refers to GMT+5.5, which matches both... AntoineL (talk) 12:44, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposals
The reason I asked for those merges is because those articles are too short and too dull to be independent, even if their subjects are very important and very notable. Also, their citations relied more from main-party sources, especially footnotes, unless I am wrong. Feel free to explain your opinions if you may. --Gh87 (talk) 19:09, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should be done. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

Problems with a uniform time zone?
As China is large country there must be some practical problems using "Peking time" in the western parts. It would be interesting if somebody could write something about that. Sunrise and sunset must occur on rather odd times of the day. And what about schools, offfices and factories? --Muniswede (talk) 21:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the basic reason is that only about 2% of the population lives far enough west that they are more than one hour west of Beijing time. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 06:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What practical problems? In addition to what the person above me said about population distribution, people in western regions just work later and go home later. What we notate as time are just numbers. Time zones rarely correspond to the actual time according to the sun. Look at Europe. It's the same. --2.245.209.202 (talk) 20:29, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Why?
Does anyone know why China only has one time zone? It seems like important information. Brutannica (talk) 18:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Why not? It's all about unity. No more time confusions and no excuses for being late. --2.245.209.202 (talk) 20:22, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It is essentially the same as asking why America allow people to buy guns to kill people, both are both justified, and disregarding to some extent. Dannyniu (talk) 13:38, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Proposal of Merging Chungyuan Standard Time and Historical time zones of China
These articles have no references or notability established. Also, this destination article already mentions past history of time zones of China. My PROD for these articles were contested, so this discussion is created for attention from those who want to research history of China. --Gh87 (talk) 21:35, 11 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. I'd suggest being bold. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 22:22, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify "bold" for us, please? --Gh87 (talk) 00:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * By bold I mean WP:BOLD. What I'm saying is just do it ;). -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 06:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Historical time zones of China was forked OUT of this article, please don't put it back in. The amount of information there overwhelms the modern topic. The appropriate merge target for Chungyuan Standard Time is the historical article, not this one. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

Article name
This article is about the time zones of china, not time in China. Time in China can be found on the Chinese calendar page: Chinese_calendar. It is very brief, though it includes a link to an article with a little more information. I would like to suggest the name of this article be changed, or at least a link added. ChangMei (talk) 21:08, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:Requested moves if you may. --George Ho (talk) 21:35, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. My first concern is whether there is a consensus. Looking for information on time in China, I have stumbled on this page twice, and I would not think of searching for "Time in China" to find time zones. Do others feel this way? ChangMei (talk) 22:05, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No I don't. Just type "Time in" in the search box and you'll see all equivalent articles are named this way. HkCaGu (talk) 01:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally don't understand that, but it makes sense to keep things uniform :) I added a link at the top of the page. ChangMei (talk) 01:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

This would help:. --George Ho (talk) 01:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Wording of opening sentence
Currently the opening sentence says


 * China spans across five different standard time zones, from UTC+05:00 in the west to UTC+09:00 in the east, yet since 1949 China has only had a single standard time at UTC+08:00.

The wording of this sentence is self-contradictory, even though I understand what it is intended to say. The problem with it is that what the first part of the sentence refers to as standard time zones are really hypothetical (not standard) time zones placed 15 degrees apart. (In the context of time zones, standard time means official non-summer time.)

Is there any objection to changing it to China spans five different hypothetical geographically-based time zones, from ....? Duoduoduo (talk) 17:29, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "Geographic time zones" is good enough. HkCaGu (talk) 01:58, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Daylight Savings in PRC
I removed the following from the bottom of the Peoples Republic of China section:"PRC observed daylight saving time from 1986 to 1991 in mainland China. The central government stopped using daylight saving time in 1992."The first sentence is stated with a citation near the top of the section. The "1992" doesn't have a citation and seems to contradict the statement about 1991 (unless it was literally stopped on 31 December). So as it was repetitive and contradictory I removed it.Silas Maxfield (talk) 07:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You have misunderstood the text - day light saving only applies each summer, and there is no "switch over" on 31 December per se. In this case, day light saving applied in the summer of 1991 but did not apply in the summer of 1992. --212.124.244.131 (talk) 11:05, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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UTC
According to the article, the time zone was set at UTC+08:00 near the end of the 19th century, but UTC didn't come into existence until 1963. So, how did they do that? Gah4 (talk) 22:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Changing the 1947-1949 time zone graphic
Could someone modify the graphic showing the 1947 time zones to more clearly distinguish between UTC+8 Chungyuan and UTC8:30 Changpai time? The colors are too close together for me to easily tell them apart. Fourfivefourfivetwo (talk) 05:52, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Beijing-time
Interestingly, so-called Beijing-time isn't actually the solar time in Beijing, but the time of places some way to the west of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:F010:9601:160:8E62:2F44:4252 (talk) 20:43, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Say which is 'this'
This is known as the work/rest time in Xinjiang. Say which is 'this'. 65.95.194.171 (talk) 23:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)