Talk:Tipper Gore/Archive 1

The sentence "The Gores are known for being strong on family." does not really seem appropriate language for an encyclopedia. It is patently American politic-speak, and should be tightened into something more meaningful. Also, the article does not say when she married Al, but refers to "her husband". Tsop 20:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Links to random, poorly written Angelfire web pages are not proper content for an encyclopedia. I'm deleting the following URL from the main page: k.lee 02:04, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Can we have both images? I think the Air Force One photo is attractive and descriptive. Kingturtle 00:10, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)

What's the deal with the picture? It says "all their children" but the article says they have four children. It doesn't add up. Philosophistry 16 Nov 2004
 * children and childrens' spouses. we should specify who is exactly pictured in complete sentences --Jiang 11:47, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Why Tipper?
Where did the name Tipper come from? It neglects to mention this in the article. Kaiser Matias 17:29 4 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'ld like to know too ;-) --Julien 22:58, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

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Other songs that criticized
Didn't Warrant have a song on either 'DRFSR' or 'Cherry Pie' album that, according to the leaflet, was dedicated to Tipper Gore ? I remember it was the last track. I just don't remember where I stored those albums to verify. ;-) --Julien 22:58, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Mental Health advocate
Am I wrong in thinking that the following is NPOV?

"In 2000, Tipper Gore began to make public appearances as a 'mental health' advocate. She has been criticised by human rights organizations for her ambiguous stance towards involuntary psychiatric treatment, including forced drugging and commitment of people labelled as mentally ill."

What human rights organizations? What public appearances did she make, and what did she claim? Thor Rudebeck 20:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE: This is still a problem in this article today. I noticed something else: why is "mental health" in quotes? It makes it sound sarcastic. Thor Rudebeck 01:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Sections needs to be reworked
These sections needs to be rewritten to comply with Biographies of living persons and Verifiability - most of the material is unsourced and the sources given either do not mention the subject or do not give background to explain the bigger theme which is response to the issue of rating music. Perhaps one of the sections should be renamed "Criticism" with an introductory paragraph as well. -Classicfilms 16:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Tipper Gore in popular culture
Tipper Gore is the subject of the song "Hook In Mouth" by Megadeth, available on their So Far, So Good... So What! album, released in 1988, in which frontman Dave Mustaine accuses Gore of re-writing documents and stories and obstructing freedom, and of the song "We Love You, Tipper Gore" by Canadian indie band Furnaceface. She is also the subject of "Startin' Up a Posse" |lyrics by Anthrax, found on their 1991 release Attack of the Killer B's (sung by Scott Ian), which also accuses Gore of obstructing freedom of speech, and accuses the PMRC of being "whores" and uses heavy levels of profanity.

In addition to these songs, she is mentioned in the songs "Porn Wars" by Frank Zappa, "Burn Down the Malls" by Mojo Nixon, "Shelter Me" by Cinderella, "F.I.N.E." by Aerosmith, Fuck Everyone by Everlast, 'Ifwhiteamericatoldthetruthforonedayit'sworldwouldfallapart' by Manic Street Preachers, 'KKK Bitch' and 'Cop Killer' by Body Count, 'White America' by Eminem, P.M.R.C. by The Fad, 'Sucks' by KMFDM, 'Lovely' by Suicidal Tendencies (and is the subject of, but not directly referenced in You Can't Bring Me Down), 'Censorshit' by the Ramones, 'Stigmata (Live)' by Ministry, as well as 'Voldemort Can't Stop the Rock' by Harry and the Potters. Warrant also have a track on their Cherry Pie album called Ode to Tipper Gore. Canadian alternative rockers Furnaceface penned the anti-Tipper ditty ironically entitled 'We Love You, Tipper Gore'.

In his book The Ice Opinion, the rapper Ice-T wrote [page 98], "Tipper Gore is the only woman I ever directly called a bitch on any of my records, and I meant that in the most negative sense of the word". On the song "Freedom of Speech", Ice-T had also written lyrics that implied that she did not understand the nature of sex.

Politics and activism
Critics of the PMRC, including Jello Biafra, Dave Mustaine, and Frank Zappa, have accused the PMRC of conducting public and under-the-table censorship campaigns against various recording artists and have pointed out the PMRC's ties to the American religious right. accused her of downright lying about the content of the lyrics written by his band.

In 2000, Tipper Gore began to make public appearances as a "mental health" advocate. She has been criticised by human rights organizations for her ambiguous stance towards involuntary psychiatric treatment, including forced drugging and commitment of people labelled as mentally ill.

The Gores also hold an annual conference in Nashville that bring together families and those who work with them to talk and design better ways to strengthen family life in America. At the center of Family Re-Union is the belief that programs and guidelines should respond to the needs of families and communities and should build on their strengths.

clarifications
The article says that Tipper Gore was found to be mentally ill. They should specify that she was depressed when her son got in a car accident. Because saying she was 'found to be mentally ill' makes it sound as if she was found to be mentally retarded.

What happened to the "Tipper Gore in popular culture" section?
Was it removed intentionally? If so, why?

It's still available on the answers.com version of the article. Here's a quote: --- Tipper Gore in popular culture

Tipper Gore is the subject of the song "Hook In Mouth" by Megadeth, available on their So Far, So Good... So What! album, released in 1988, in which frontman Dave Mustaine accuses Gore of re-writing documents and stories and obstructing freedom, and of the song "We Love You, Tipper Gore" by Canadian indie band Furnaceface. She is also the subject of "Startin' Up a Posse" [3] by Anthrax, found on their 1991 release Attack of the Killer B's (sung by Scott Ian), which also accuses Gore of obstructing freedom of speech, and accuses the PMRC of being "whores" and uses heavy levels of profanity.

In addition to these songs, she is mentioned in the songs "Porn Wars" by Frank Zappa, "Burn Down the Malls" by Mojo Nixon, "Shelter Me" by Cinderella, "F.I.N.E." by Aerosmith, Fuck Everyone by Everlast, 'Ifwhiteamericatoldthetruthforonedayit'sworldwouldfallapart' by Manic Street Preachers, 'KKK Bitch' and 'Cop Killer' by Body Count, 'White America' by Eminem, P.M.R.C. by The Fad, 'Sucks' by KMFDM, 'Lovely' by Suicidal Tendencies (and is the subject of, but not directly referenced in You Can't Bring Me Down), 'Censorshit' by the Ramones, 'Stigmata (Live)' by Ministry, as well as 'Voldemort Can't Stop the Rock' by Harry and the Potters. Warrant also have a track on their Cherry Pie album called Ode to Tipper Gore. Canadian alternative rockers Furnaceface penned the anti-Tipper ditty ironically entitled 'We Love You, Tipper Gore'.

In his book The Ice Opinion, the rapper Ice-T wrote [page 98], "Tipper Gore is the only woman I ever directly called a bitch on any of my records, and I meant that in the most negative sense of the word". On the song "Freedom of Speech", Ice-T had also written lyrics that implied that she did not understand the nature of sex. --- http://www.answers.com/topic/tipper-gore