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On mosques
On the Curiosities page linked to from the article, the form 'Et'hem Bey' is used, not 'Ethem Bey' as in the text of the article.

Is there also a mosque called Suleyman Pasha mosque? Or is it the same as Ethem Bey mosque? --Andres 15:08, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * The Suleyman Pasha mosque is the same as the Ethem Bey mosque. I think Ethem as opposed to Et'hem spelling is more common, which is why I changed it. If/When someone chooses the write an article they can mention both names I guess. Dori 15:29, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * The mosque of Suleyman Pasha was the largest of the Tirana mosques. It was badly damaged during the Battle of Tirana in 1944 and subseqently demolished.  Its site is to the north-east of Etham Bey.  (OJG) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.99.155 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

It doesn't seem possible that Mullah Bey was the nephew of Sulejman Pasha Bargjini. If Bargjini built a mosque in 1614, and somehow his nephew was 70 years younger than him, he would need to live to age 130 to start construction on the Et'hem Bey mosque in 1795. I only looked at one source so far (Hauptstädte in Südosteuropa, edited by Harald Heppner, p. 139) but this only confirms what is written on wikipedia, which doesn't make sense. Pentalith (talk) 18:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Population
How old is the number of inhabitants? The last one I came across is from 1998 when the official number was about 420,000 but the estimated real number was 650,000. Andres 11:55, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I found even the number 700 000:

http://www.colisee.org/article.php3?id_article=238

http://www.hri.org/news/balkans/ata/1999/99-02-14.ata.html

http://www.balkantrade.org/country/albania.htm

http://www.ogonspegeln.se/albania_market.html

http://www.gak.at/article/articleview/1041/1/39/

Andres 12:16, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * I don't know as I don't think there has been an official census or anything. Plus, I think the number is in constant flux. Many people have migrated from the North, but it is not known how many. They live in and around Tirana, and many of their "houses" are illegal, so I doubt they would want anything to do with the government (such as letting them know that they came from another city and they are now living there). Dori 13:03, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I see. The problem is that any number of population requires reference at least to the year. Usually the number of people registered is meant. When it is census data or estimation then this is specially noted. As in Tirana the official number is substantially different from the real number, that estimation is important. As far as I know, the current estimation is 700 000. In fact probably the number is greater than that and rapidly increasing. On the other hand, there is bound to be some official number. Andres 14:41, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * OK, changing it to 700,000 estimate. If anyone complains they can change it. Dori 21:43, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * The largest number i've heard is about 800,000 but you never know. 700,000 sounds a reasonable estimate. Xhamlliku 03:48, 7 March 2005 (UTC)

well,we cant say anything until next registration of the population,but I do actually think that the number goes to 800.000.And belive me,I am living in this city,and ive seen many migrations this years from the other parts of the country to Tirana.--Jurgenalbanian (talk) 14:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Situated on the Ishm ?
Could anyone confirm that Tirana is really situated on the Ishm? (Should Ishm not be Ishëm or Ishmi? And is Tirana not situated on a tributary of it? Fransvannes 15:42, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)


 * The river running through the city is Lana, but Ishm or one of its tributaries runs through the district (I can't find a decent enough map to verify this and it's been a while since I took my geography class in Albania -- this map (1.2MB) is a bit too detailed). It is either Ishm (indefinite) or Ishmi (definite); I believe Ishëm is a mispelling derived from the way it is pronounced. Dori 16:47, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)

Lana is a stream, tiny river, no major shipping along - looks like sewer in places. main water channel running through Tirane.

Kodra e Gjatë
no mention of Tirana being separated from the coastal plain of Durres to the west by long range of hills known as the Kodra e Gjatë. mention of mountains to the east but not this range to the west in Geography section also could do with an article and English name Gjatë Hills (literally Tall Hills in Albanian). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.123.221 (talk) 12:20, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Kodra e Gjatë Mountain Country Albania Albania Prefecture Qarku in Tiranës Coordinates 41.31194 ° N 19.66056 ° E Highest point - altitude 491 m above sea level Width 14.6 km Elevation 399 m Time zone CET (UTC + 1) - summer time CEST (UTC + 2) GeoNames 3185589 Albania relief location map.jpg Red pog.svg Kodra e Gjatë is a mountain in Albania. [1] It is located in the Qarku Prefecture of Tiranë, in the central part of the country, 13 km west of the capital Tirana. The top of Kodra e Gjatë is 491 meters above sea level, [1] or 399 meters above the surrounding terrain [a]. The width at the base is 14.6 km. [B]

The terrain around Kodra e Gjatë is hilly south but north is flat. [C] The highest point nearby is Kodra e Tufinës, 654 meters above sea level, 20.0 km east of Kodra e Gjatë. [D] Around Kodra e Gjatë is it densely populated, with 570 inhabitants per square kilometer. [3] The nearest larger community is Tirana, 13.3 km east of Kodra e Gjatë.

The area around Kodra e Gjatë consists largely of agricultural land. [4] Mediterranean climate prevails in the area. [5] The annual average temperature in the funnel is 15 ° C. The warmest month is July, when the average temperature is 27 ° C, and the coldest is December, at 6 ° C. [6] The average annual average is 1 469 millimeters. The rainy month is February, with an average of 175 mm rainfall, and the driest is August, with 37 mm rainfall. [7] There is some small lakes and reservoir and forts in the Kodra hills and it has only a few important passes like Vore, which link Tirana to the coasr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.123.221 (talk) 12:23, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

About the name!
The whole idea that Suleymon created the town after his victory at Tehran does not hold much weight, nor is it looked at with any truth in Albania today. Venetian records in the early 1400 make mentions of a town in the area called Tirana along with earlier Byzantine records who make mentions of a castle in the area.

''An often-repeated explanation is that ‘Tirana’ was so named by Sulejman Pasha, the Turkish military leader at the time of Turkey’s conquest of Persia in the 17th century, after Tehran, the capital of Persia (now Iran). Such a theory would, however, seem to be contradicted by the evidence of Tirana’s name in its current form appearing in a 1418 Venetian document.'' The history of Tirana a fusion of Islamic and Christian influences —Preceding unsigned comment added by IskanderBey (talk • contribs) 03:00, 16 June 2005 (UTC)

Here is more on the theories of origins of the name

The three hypothesis for the origins of Tirana's name '' 1- “Tirana “, it is thought that comes from the word “ Theranda”, mentioned in the ancient Greek and Latin sources, that aborigines called Te Ranat, because the field was formed as a result of stiff materials that the waters from the surrounding mountains brought.

2- “Tirana“ comes from “Tirkan“. Tirkan was a castle in Dajti‘s mountainside. Even nowadays, there exist the ruins of this ancient castle that dates with the beginning of the I-century B.C. This is thought to have been the castle that the Byzantium historian Prokop (VI-century) called the Castle of Tirkan.

3- “Tirana“ comes from old Greek, “Tyros” which means dairy. It is thought that this variant remained, because in the field of Tirana, the shepherds of the nearby areas used to trade dairy products.

For the first time Tirana’s name in the nowadays form was mentioned in 1418 in a Venetian document.

For the first time the registration of lands was done under the ottoman invasion in 1431-1432. Tirana had 60 inhabited areas with near 1000 houses and 7300 inhabitants. In the XV -century as Marin Barleti mentions, there was Tirana e Madhe and Tirana e Vogël (Big and Small Tirana).

In the registrations of 1583, the area of Tirana resulted to have 110 inhabited areas, 2900 houses and 20,000 inhabitants.

Sulejman Pasha, whose background was from Mullet, established Tirana in 1614. First, he constructed a mosque, a bakery and a hamam (Turkish sauna).'' History of Tirana —Preceding unsigned comment added by IskanderBey (talk • contribs) 03:49, 16 June 2005 (UTC)


 * So should I change this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by IskanderBey (talk • contribs) 00:22, 17 June 2005 (UTC)

well,I dont really know much about the foundation of Tirana,but I know a legend for its name.I am going to write it,hope I wont bore you :P Once,a traveler was traveling near the place where today is situated the city of Tirana.He saw a villager who was cleaning the sand(in albanian it is called "tir rërë".He was away from the villager so he shouted: "Where are we?".The villager thought that the traveler was asking "what are you doing",so he answered "Po tir ranë"(which means I am cleaning sand ,but it is dialectal).So the traveler thought that the villager said "Në Tiranë"(In Tiranë),so the name of that place remained Tirana. Well,I dont know how exact this is,because it is just a legend,but it would be cool adding it,so the people would read it just for curiosity.--Jurgenalbanian (talk) 14:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think your claim needs further research and verification. Actually the most credible account of the origin of the name Tirana is still indeed it being a jocular reference to Tehran which was started by its founder Sulejman Bargjini. The source you have provided is not credible, and the same source implies the Ottomans had captured Tehran, which is not a historical fact either. Bargjini's goal was to capture Tehran after reaching Tabriz and he vowed to do so the following year, and after failing to do so he founded Tirana (Tehran) in Albania - this would also be consistent with a Turkish pronunciation of Tehran. The alleged existence of the "Venetian record", which supposedly counters this fact, is a recent claim that was started by someone in Wikipedia and it has never been verified by anyone aside from the link. Internet sources that make this same revisionist claim are all based on this Wikipedia article! Albania itself does not have much indigenous historical record to support or counter the claim on the etymology, and in fact the sources are Turkish in origin as Albania was an Ottoman territory for centuries, ending in 1912. Simply put it is contradictory to say that a single hand written Venetian document mentions "the port of Tirana" in a document supposedly dating to 1418, and then claiming that Tirana was founded in 1618 - which - oh yea coincides with a peak period of warfare between Persia and the Ottoman empire in the region of Tabriz from 1585-1639 (the exact time period in which Tirana was founded, by all accounts) And finally, there is a 2500 year time period between the alleged "greek" source for the name and the alleged "venetian" document from 1418. How is it that in this 2500 year period we never see a single reference which refers to this area as "Tirana" or some similar name? The only thing we know for certain is that the name Tirana suddenly appears in reliable historical records starting around 1618, during the Ottoman-Persian conflicts, exactly at the time when the city Tirana was founded by Bargjini Xoltron (talk) 07:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting: American Trivia show Jeopardy! supports the Tehran-Tirana naming connection, episode/Show #2129 - Thursday, December 2, 1993 Final Jeopardy! QuestionXoltron (talk) 04:07, 15 December 2018 (UTC)


 * You're talking to a blocked editor who posted this about 12 years ago. Doug Weller  talk 14:03, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Tirana or Tiranë
In English, I've always known the city as Tirana; but after doing this edit I noticed that the form "Tiranë" is used in many articles. Is there a reason for doing so, or can I safely change all those mentions to "Tirana" ?

There are even articles on the Tiranë District and the Tiranë County, which I guess should be moved to Tirana District and Tirana County. I've proposed both moves. - Best regards, Evv 21:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Tiranë should be used, just like you would use Krujë, Gjirokastër, or Shkodër. - PG-Rated 06:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've seen both spellings in English language publications, so I have no problem with either (after all British and American spellings co-exist). Elsewhere, it's been argued that letters not used in English shouldn't be used in English Wiki - even in proper names. I wouldn't spend any time trying to change them, perhaps put the alternative in brackets (once). There's far more important improvements needed for the article. Folks at 137 06:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I was surprised the article is called Tirana. In English, I have only ever seen "Tiranë" used; to me, "Tirana" smacks of Italian colonialism. —Angr 19:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Tirana vs Tiranë - the former is the same with an indefinite article, isn't it? Check the Albanian page (Shqip) for Tirana. It's the same with Kosova vs Kosovë - the English name reamins Kosovo but Kosovans want it to be called "Kosova" (not Kosovë). If you're native Albanian, please clarify, if I am wrong. (Removed the SineBot message as it was me who forgot to sign it first.) (Added Kosovo example).--Atitarev (talk) 04:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Tirana is definite and Tiranë is indefinite.--Jurgenalbanian (talk) 14:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

There seems to be an unofficial tradition in English-language reference of referring to Albanian cities by the definite form if feminine and the indefinite if masculine: Shkodra, Tirana, Lezha (feminine) but Burrel, Durrës, Berat (masculine). I don't know if there's any logic to it, but it's the nearest thing to a standard that seems to exist.--Kenji Yamada (talk) 10:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Tirana is called in midlle albanian dialect Tiron ( it means in albanian you are alive ).Tirana has 24 castles standing from the illyrian roman times. The article on Tirana is created from ignorants who do not know a thing about Tirana. Explanation east north of Tirana is the Saint George region  the houses there are still with pelasgian, etruscan style. South of tirana is petrela and Arbana mentioned from the romans and other as proper ilyricum. For more read more to understand more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.73.141.161 (talk) 19:49, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Incorrect addition
This edit is incorrect. There is nothing in p.42 to substantiate the content entered. I have full faith that Alexi will revise the page. --  S ulmues (talk) 22:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

It's in p. 42 of the pdf file (or p. 33 of the scanned document) I've provided the full quote.Alexikoua (talk)

Northern Epirus
From my talk page, presumably by User:Bachusbreak

The origins of the city's name remain shrouded in mystery. The name on coins minted in Hellenistic Scodra (during the rule of Genthius) have the legend (Greek: ΣΚΟΝΔΡΙΝΩΝ).[1] Some believe the name has a Latin[who?]  root, while others[who?]  that it was Illyrian. In early 20th century, Shkodër was referred to in English by the Italian name Scutari.[2] In Greek, it is known as Σκουτάριον -  Greek Illyrian colonies   - simile references in all albanian articles. Its the history It has not to do with connotations with political claims on the territories --188.4.215.159 (talk) 14:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Now who disputes that there were Greek colonies and settlements across half of Mediterranean? It's about inclusion of Northern Epirus in the article about Tirana. As far as I know, Tirana is not in Northern Epirus, it does not have a significant Greek population, and it hasn't had it recently. We're not supposed to add any tangentially related template to an article about a European capital. And this one smells irredentist, doesn't it? No such user (talk) 14:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Discusion at talk Tirana

 * I cant understood which is your argue with an uncontested template, it makes it clear that is about cities and towns in Albania with Greek-speaking communities, outside the political definition of "Northern Epirus"

Remoning this goes against :Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring see it down at the alleged redirection

--Alvarri (talk) 13:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Tirana climate
2 dry months in the summer isn´t properly a feature of humid subtropical climates but of mediterranean ones (Csa (Koppen-Geiger) is the correct term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.37.171.168 (talk) 10:27, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Qark/Municipality confusion
I want to clarify for all users and editors. The page here refers to the municipality of Tirana and not to the County/Qark of Tirana. For more context, Albania is made of 61 municipalities and 12 Qarks (the largest division). INSTAT updates regularily only the population of the Counties and not of the municipalities.

Now here is the wikipedia link the municipalities of Albania.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipalities_of_Albania

Here is the link for the Counties/Qarqet of Albania.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Albania

Here is the link for the County/Qark of Tiranë. As you can see, it also includes the municipalities of Kamëz, Kavajë, Rrogozhinë and Vorë.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirana_County

I hope this clarifies things. Vargmali (talk) 16:26, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2021
“The remaining 29.1% of the population reported having no religion or did not provided an adequate answer.”

Change provided to provide 2600:1700:34B0:C3C0:899B:EA93:3F50:2387 (talk) 05:07, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 10:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Etymology
How come that the article on capital of Albania does not have a section on etymology? Super  Ψ   Dro  12:22, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Gentian kabadhi
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