Talk:Tiszaeszlár affair

POV ?
hello

i know nothing about this period, but it seems clear that this article is very POV.

wishfish — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.152.243 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 2 March 2006

Comment:

This article is not written in a NPOV! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.178.101.29 (talk • contribs) 21:04, 23 July 2006

A little POV, e.g. it is a rather weak argument that nobody has claimed the body, so it was surely the girl's body; also, her mother has explicitly stated it wasn't her. Frigo 00:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

This article is shamefully POV. Kossuth "raised his powerful voice", on June 17 the last act "in this shameful affair had begun". Móric "fully redeemed his past" etc. etc. in absurdum. I'm slapping a big fat tag on this, and hope some committed wikipedian can filter out the unbalanced choice of words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.0.223.178 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 15 December 2006

Much of the text is taken verbatim from the Jewish Encyclopedia. What it states is not that bad, but the phrasing is certainly very biased. --Tgr (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Blood libel
This version of the article is total false. The Tiszaeszlár Affair was never blood libel! Bary and the judge nosed after murder, not others. In the course of investigation wasn't the accusation blood libel. I don't see the sources. This article is simply misdirection. The cause was a show trial, yes, the counsel defenfed the witness, but not else. See the Hungarian version. Meanwhile were a lot of antisemitic reaction, it is true, but mainly in the West Hungarian cities, where a lot of Germans lived. Therefore I move the article to Tiszaeszlár Affair, it isn't POW. --Tobi (talk) 19:54, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Bary accused the jews of murdering a Christian child before Passover to use her blood in religious rituals. I am continually amazed that people can honestly claim that is not blood libel. Saying it was just an investigation is what is POV - actually it is the POV of Bary himself, who used that stance in his memoirs to whitewash himself, claiming that he was just following the facts and going where the investigation lead him, which coincidentally happened to be exactly the same thing as the blood libel. Of course, beating your suspects until they say what you want to hear is not exactly following the facts, which is why historians reject his view and talk about anti-Jewish superstitions influencing the investigation from the very start, and why everybody calls the event a blood libel (except some marginal antisemitic groups). The article should be moved back. --Tgr (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * To put it more clearly, no one except some very small minorities object against the name "Tiszaeszlár blood libel". "Tiszaeszlár Affair" is also used by mainstream sources, as a synonym; I don't think either one would be less neutral than the other. Renaming articles just to conform to right-wing extremist POV is not a good idea. --Tgr (talk) 23:35, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

If that affair wasn't a blood libel case, then no other should bear that name at all. Anybody can imagine such an investigation (following an accusation that the Jews used the blood of S. Eszter in their rituals...) under "normal" circumstances, without anti-Jewish sentiments having the biggest part in it? Bennó (talk) 12:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Reception
A decent number of novels, plays and films focus on the Tiszaeszlár affair: A paragraph on the reception of the Tiszaeszlár affair in the arts would make sense. --Diggindeeper (talk) 13:29, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Arnold Zweig: Ritualmord in Ungarn, German novel, 1915
 * Gyula Krúdy: A tiszaeszlári Solymosi Eszter, Hungarian novel, 1931
 * Géza Herczeg, Heinz Herald: Der Prozess ohne Ende. Der Fall von Tisza Eszlar, Hungarian-German play from the 1930s
 * Noel Langley: The burning bush, play, 1947, American adaptation of Herczeg/Herald's play
 * Rudolf Brunngraber: Prozess auf Tod und Leben, Austrian novel, 1948
 * Georg Wilhelm Pabst: The Trial, Austrian movie, 1948, based on Brunngraber's novel
 * W. Lee Wilder: The Vicious Circle, US film, 1948, based on Herczeg/Heralds play
 * Miklós Erdély: Verzió, Hungarian film, 1979, based on Gyula Krúdy's novel
 * Judit Elek, Péter Nádas. Tutajosok, Hungarian film, 1990
 * Kornél Mundruczó: Eszter Solymosi von Tiszaeszlár, theater production at Schauspielhaus Hannover, 2010, based on Krúdy's novel.

where? (and a remark about the versions)
Where exactly was it? What is the place called today?

Remark: I'm working on a revised version of the Hebrew wikipedia edition according to scores of sources the Hebrew and polish and even English newspapers at the time, shortly afterward and articles written 30 years later with the aftermath.

It is a fascinating story. And had a very strong impact on many events further down the line during and after world war one, the Zionist movement, on Socialism and so much more. When I'm done with the research I'll post my findings. פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 19:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)