Talk:Title II weapons

Title
Title II weapon is not officially used by the ATF. While NFA firearms are regulated by Title II of the federal gun control laws, ATF fairly consistently refers to them as NFA firearms and within the context of discussing the NFA, as firearms not not as Title II weapons. The few ATF links I have found to NFA weapon link to text about NFA firearms. The verifiable reliable source is ATF.GOV http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#o9 uses GCA to refer to Title I and NFA to refer to Title II. Naaman Brown (talk) 17:57, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If the content of the article is incorrect, please correct it. Perhaps the intro, rather than calling it a "legal term", should say that, "in common usage it refers to ...(yadda yadda)". In fact, I'll take a stab at it. Please correct any mistakes I may make. __ø(._. ) Patrick("\(.:...:.)/")Fisher 00:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The Gun Control Act of 1968 consisted of two parts: Title I, which is known as the "Gun Control Act of 1968"; and Title II, a revised version of the original (1934) National Firearms Act. Worth noting that the ATF does not use the term, but it is not incorrect. More importantly, it is in common usage. __ø(._. ) Patrick("\(.:...:.)/")Fisher 02:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Merge
Considering the amount of redundancy between this article and the National Firearms Act, I think a merge might be something to consider. Surv1v4l1st (Talk 03:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree - I think it's a good idea. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 16:42, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Disagree. This article answers the question, "What is a 'Title II Weapon'?" much better than the National Firearms Act article. It also is the proper place for detailed information in the Categories of firearms regulated section. That section should be an overview, and the details should be merged into this article. I've added a "main article" link from there to here. __ø(._. ) Patrick("\(.:...:.)/")Fisher 00:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Silencer vs. suppressor
I've taken the liberty to change the terminology to reflect the suppressor article instead of reading Silencer. If anyone disagrees, by all means let's discuss it here. -Deathsythe (talk) 18:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

The ATF NFA Handbook (ATF E-Publication 5320.8 Revised: April 2009) PDF uses "suppressor" three times in 212 pages; overwelmingly in the table of contents, several dozens of time in the text "silencer" is used; Form 4 lists ("muffler" or "silencer"). While sound "suppresser" is more accurate technically, the legal term used by ATF and the NFA is "silencer". Naaman Brown (talk) 21:13, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Fine by me. We all agree the correct term in most contexts is suppressor. For historical reasons, the term silencer is used by the NFA and in legal contexts (the law still uses the 1934 terminology). On this page, we should primarily use silencer, as we are referring to the legal definition, but I think putting suppressor in parentheses by it is good -- it explains the meaning of the legal term. The distinction may be worth a footnote. __ø(._. ) Patrick("\(.:...:.)/")Fisher 09:03, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, suppressor is technically accurate. Hiram Maxim's invention was called a silencer. The 1934 National Firearms Act (now Title II of the federal gun control act) uses "silencer" and "muffler". The ATF Form 4 currently before me for a "22Sparrow" describes "Type of Firearm" as "silencer". In discussing matters of federal law you use the definitions in the law.


 * I just reverted a global search and replace substituting the word suppressor for the word silencer, including where silencer was inside quotes from the US federal statutes. This is as ridiculous and frustrating as having someone going through a British automotive article and substituting muffler (American English) for silencer (British English). Jeez. Nameless IP editors should not be allowed to rewrite federal firearms laws that use silencer (and occassionally muffler) for a sound suppressor. And as far as correct term is concerned, a silencer or muffler is a sound suppressor but insisting on substituting suppressor is just pedantic peacockery: look how smart I am. Silencer, muffler and suppressor are synonyms, but in writing about the federal law especially quoting the statute you use the words the statute uses. This is as bad as a video gamer editing a firearms article to use a nickname for a gun that is used only in one videogame and never used historically in the real world. Try seeing if ATF is amused if you go through a registration Form 4 crossing out silencer and substituting suppressor; if you do not get your tax stamp, I wouldn't be surprised. I need my second cup of coffee this morning. This is a perrenial annoyance with this article. -- Naaman Brown (talk) 11:07, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

short barrel v short-barrel
ATF E-Publication 5320.8 Revised: April 2009 uses "short barrel" and "short-barrel", generally the latter more than the former. Naaman Brown (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Sons of Guns
This article says that no new machine guns could be registered since 1986, yet the show Sons of Guns made a big thing out of a company, apparently real, making super-powerful machine guns for wealthy private clients. What am I missing here? Wnt (talk) 00:50, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * TV gun shows are very irritating to me because they do not go into the legal details on Title II weapons/firearms (like the steps and time involved processing a Form 4 transfer of a legally registered machinegun from private owner to private owner, or even show the 4473 transfer of a conventional gun). There are a lot of details not shown on TV. Legal transfer of a registered machinegun would make a TV mini-series. A long boring mini-series. New post-1986 guns can be made and registered for government agencies or as dealer samples for licensed dealers who sell to government agencies. --Naaman Brown (talk) 19:59, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

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1913 George M. Price 12 ga.shotgun 30" barrel
Does anyone have any info on this particular gun Gary L. (talk) 15:41, 10 December 2017 (UTC)