Talk:Toa Payoh carpark murder

Wikipedia is not a news website
Wikipedia is not a news website and its articles should not be presented to readers in the order that stories appear in the news media. Instead, the fact presentation should proceed in chronological order from the earliest to latest of events. Wikipedia articles should present the facts in chronological order to demonstrate causality. This is not the order that the facts are discovered or reported by investigators, or by news reports about investigations. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 11:36, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Relationship between offender and victim
The way this article is presented minimizes the significance of an apparent intimate partner relationship between the offender and the victim. Describing this pair simply as "friends" understates their relationship, people who are just "friends" don't usually have sex with each other when they reunite after being apart, then argue over a phone, or money, in that order, but a couple in a boy-friend/girl-friend type relationship might. Perhaps the police or reporters missed this, but, to me, this looks like a form of intimate partner violence, and the fact the couple had sex with each other before arguing suggests the relationship between the pair was much closer than the word "friends" would suggest. I think this fact is important enough to even mention in the lead, not be left buried deep in the body of the article as an afterthought. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 11:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, Cameron, I am writing based on what I read in these sources. They repeatedly emphasized that the relationship between Atika and Syed Maffi are friends but never specifically said if they were already a couple by the time the murder occurred. So it might be a bit hard to change that definition as it's merely a speculation that they are a couple NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 01:02, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I suspect there are multiple things at play here. With cultural sensitivities and not wanting to paint the victim in a bad light playing a part here. Whether the police overlooked or missed the relationship issue between Atika and Syed Maffi or simply did not explore their relationship deeper with the only survivor, during the investigative interview, because they had enough evidence already may be a consideration. Syed Maffi would be likely to want to minimize suggesting a deeper relationship, too. Sources can only report what the police discovered and said. However, a relationship break-up or breakdown, would certainly explain the "fit of rage" that Syed Maffi flew into that lead to the murder. With sources only describing the pair as "friends", (who had sexual intercourse when they first reunited,) is describing the facts. Speculating what sort of relationship existed beyond the sources is pushing the boundaries. Nevertheless, I think the fact they were friends who did have sex at least once is significant observation and should be retained when describing Atika and Syed Maffi meeting before the murder. The reader will need to speculate what really happened, because nobody else is saying so. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 03:44, 28 December 2023 (UTC)