Talk:Tom Brady/GA2

GA Review
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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 00:33, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * WRT Talk:Tom Brady/GA1:
 * I'd still like to see more expansion of early pro years.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, what happened to the awards section?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

This one is up my alley. I'll take a look and give comments soon. My first impression is that the amateur career section is quite sparse. However, Brady passed my personal New York Times test since search results from NYT for his college career are all included. I was surprised his career-high 375-yard game was not included in NYT. However, it was a losing effort in a game dominated by Ohio State. I guess I might still mention that game since it was from a Michigan–Ohio State football rivalry game (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-11-22/sports/9811220273_1_buckeyes-michigan-ohio-stadium). I also think Scott Dreisbach was part of the 1998 QB battle. You can steal a cited sentence from the Tai Streets article in this regard. In terms of HS. I tend to overdo the high school sections, but was he All-State, a state champ, or anything. The SF Chronicle should cover his HS career from that era. Why the POV statement on a family of exceptional athletes? Need some details in the article. I will do a formal review.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:33, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I can work to integrate the tOSU game into that section, and I'll do a SF search for him in High School. As for Dreisbach, the citations for the battle that Tom Brady has (an SI Article from 2012) just mention Brady/Henson. The only link from Tai Streets that mentions a potential Brady/Henson/Dreisbach three-way is This. The narrative that I'm familiar with, (probably just fed into my New Englander collective conscious somewhere between 2001-2006) is that Dreisbach was hurt in 97, Brady/Henson worked hard in camp and Dreisbach quickly became an also-ran in the fight. If you think that mentioning Dreisbach is important enough, we have a citation and I'd be happy to add it. Achowat (talk) 13:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * My point is that Dreisbach was Brian Griese's backup in 1997 (when healthy), IIRC. I think he should get mentioned as being part of the competition in 1998.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As for High School career, it appears that his High School never did anything notable. This Piece mentions him being one scout's #1 California QB prospect, but it seems like we'd be giving terribly undue weight to his opinions to list that. Achowat (talk) 19:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you checked highbeam for his high school years? I think free 1-yr highbeam accounts are still available if you haven't signed up yet.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Note the sources at the Streets article that mention a QB battle in 1997 too.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:07, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, my account isn't quite a whole year old, so I'm ineligible for the free trial. I'll add the information about Dreisbach today. Achowat (talk) 16:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Early pro years? I assume you mean 2002 through 2006?
 * Awards section - Per WP:TRIVIA I had converted that section to Prose, though a list still exists in the infobox. It just seemed redundant to re-list the awards that were already. I could see doing something like what WP:FOOTY does for it's awards sections since neither WP:NFL nor WP:AMF have a similiar style guideline, breaking it up by "Individual" and "Club" (with, for instance, relevant High School and College honors) if you think that would improve readability. Achowat (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I just took a look at Highbeam. I only found a couple of Tidbits about his high school career:
 * Brady was not top 100 coming out of high school according to : "The Wolverines took so many good players early that they had to turn down some blue chippers because they didn't have room for them. They have four top 100 players - WR Tai Streets, DL Josh Williams, DB Daydrion Taylor and DB Charles Woodson. Also OL Chris Ziemann of Waubonsie Valley and TE Aaron Shea of Ottawa, RB Clarence Williams of Detroit, QB Tom Brady of San Mateo, Calif., and LB David Bowens and DB Diallo Johnson of Orchard Lake, Mich."
 * He did throw 31 touchdowns in two high school seasons according to : "Michigan, which has been without injured starter Scott Dreisbach, was not certain whether replacement Brian Griese would be 100 percent or even able to play Saturday against Indiana. Griese, who started the last two games, bruised his right (throwing) shoulder on the third play of the Northwestern game Oct. 7 and is listed as day-to-day. Dreisbach (torn ligaments in right thumb) is not expected back until Nov. 4, when Michigan plays Michigan State. If Griese is unavailable Saturday, senior backup Jason Carr will be a quarterback for his father, Lloyd, the Wolverines' coach. Carr would be backed up by true freshman Tom Brady, a 6-4, 210-pounder who threw 31 touchdowns in two high-school seasons at San Mateo, Calif."
 * I would expand the article describing his incoming freshman class (they were highly rated as an incoming class and went on to be national champs in their third year at Michigan).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, please state the year he graduated high school and clarify which year he redshirted.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I would even track down his college stats.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Clarify this 7th on depth charts thing, because he was up to 4th by October of his true freshman year.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I also think the personal life could be broadened by this article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Recheck the early years at the San Francisco Chronicle. There seems to be a story about him heading to Cal until they had a 4-7 season where they could not protect their QB. Then he chose Michigan.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * E.g, see this, this, this, this and this
 * Also, since Brady is making a lot of hay with TEs recently, you might want to note that in both 1998 and 1999, his leading receiver was tight end Streets even though he played with about a half a dozen future professional wide receivers.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:06, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, it looks like my memory fails me. Streets seems to have been a WR at Michigan.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems you can make an interesting tidbit about how he was overshadowed in the Big Ten by contemporaries Drew Brees, Antwan Randle El and Joe Germaine.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I'm being swamped at work right now, but I'll be able to give this some serious work by week's end. (Including adding your sources, expanding the early seasons, and I still haven't given up hope concerning High School). Achowat (talk) 15:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think you will find much more than what I suggested above for high school. If you want to dig through the Ann Arbor News and Michigan Daily archives there is no doubt a lot of stuff about Brady, but I don't think anything essential is missing here. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess, I would suggest including some content from each of his 300-yard games in college. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Did he appear in any Senior year All-Star game? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * An industrious effort might be to make a three-paragraph college career section with each near the current size. One for the years before he started and one each for both of his starting seasons. However, I don't really see much that is obviously missing.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What about augmenting the college career with content at 1998 Michigan Wolverines football team and 1999 Michigan Wolverines football team.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:22, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * As a pro, 2007, is about the only season that is appropriate levelof detail (with the full playoff presentation).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The only problem that arises is deciding which games get the level of detail required to bring all the seasons up to what 2007 looks like. 2007 was easy because, well, there was a record or two broken in like 6 different games. I could look through the 2003 regular season and pick games that were given a little more coverage in the Globe or Herald, but that all seems too routine. Achowat (talk) 16:11, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Given that the new season is upon us, and therefore this article will not be "stable" until February, I would like to rescind this request. Achowat (talk) 13:56, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If he weren't an established starter that might be relevant. Generally, "stable" is related to edit warring. However, due to the way that this review has stalled, I will close it mercifully as a Fail.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:06, 10 September 2012 (UTC)