Talk:Toronto Transit Commission fares

Fair Pass Discount
It would be great to mention the Fair Pass Discount, which allows those with disabilities and/or are low-income to have a discount when using the Presto card. See here: http://ttc.ca/Fares_and_passes/Passes/Fair_Pass_Discount_Program.jsp Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 00:47, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It can be expanded upon as well, but I can't figure out where exactly to mention the details about this discount. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 00:51, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It has been added. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 00:40, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If I understand, the criteria is: disability, welfare (Ontario Works) or subsidized child care? If so, the criteria is more limited compared to OC Transpo's Equipass, which simply looks at income. --LABcrabs (talk) 03:36, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Vaughan is NOT a separate fare zone?
When I returned to the Vaughan Metropolitan Centre subway station, I was charged the regular TTC fare. This is different from Montreal Metro, where several stations do not accept the following fare types: 10 tickets, weekly, monthly, four months and 747 West. I understand that non-TTC agencies charge an extra fare, but as far as I'm concerned, all TTC fares are accepted at the Vaughan subway station. --LABcrabs (talk) 06:58, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Vaughan (and Highway 407) stations are considered part of the TTC fare zone to simplify fare collection, as its too complicated to have a payment on exit system. You simply pay a second fare to transfer to/from York Region Transit buses. Transportfan70 (talk) 01:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That will have to be clarified in the article and be added to the lead. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 13:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Issue with "History" section
So in the "History" section, we have a subsection, "Legacy passes". There's an issue there that also repeats elsewhere in the "History" section: "Legacy passes" has a "Day pass (1973–present)" subsection. If it's a section on passes, why is the date to present?

Similarly, we have a subsection in "History" called "Fare zones" but those are former fare zones. Indeed, some of the subsections in "History" are tagged as "Former [blank]".

We may need to consider excising actual former fare arrangements/passes from the history of their development. At the very least, we need to address things like the day pass section issue above. —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That section is really messy. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:43, 16 January 2022 (UTC)


 * "Legacy passes" includes day passes along with metro, weekly and GTA passes, so I don't see why legacy passes "repeats". "Day pass (1973–present)" and other legacy pass sections show a date range to indicate their period of use. At one time, they were all in use; now only the legacy day pass is theoretically still in use. Separating former fare arrangements (e.g. TTC Times Two) from former fare media (e.g. passes) from "History" may be doable, but separating former media from a history of their development might not be so easy. So perhaps we want to split "History" into "Current fare media" (Presto, legacy day passes and convention passes), "Former fare media" and "Former fare arrangements"? TheTrolleyPole (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I carried out my suggestion. Very little wording was added or changed; it was essentially a shuffle of sections to regroup history topics. The major history sub-sections are essentially current media (Presto), current fare arrangements (timed transfer, POP), former fare media listed by media type and former fare arrangements (GO/UPX cofare, downtown express double fare, etc.) Hopefully, this makes History less confusing. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 22:09, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:23, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Customer service agents
In the third paragraph of Toronto Transit Commission fares I updated the status of converting collectors into customer service agents at subway stations. The TTC has been silent on this since early 2019, and it appears that the conversion has stalled. Because of legacy fare collection, it was never fully carried out. Thus, I wish to remove mention of CSAs from the articles for stations north of and including. Except for one word, the article already has nice wording that omits mentioning CSA's. I plan to adapt the wording to other articles for stations south of Vaughan to Lawrence West. The following is the Vaughan wording: "This station was, along with the five other TYSSE stations, one of the first to be opened without collector booths. It was also among the first eight stations to end the sale of legacy TTC fare media (such as tokens). Presto vending machines were available to sell Presto cards and to load funds or monthly TTC metro passes onto them. On May 3, 2019, this station became one of the first ten stations to sell Presto tickets via Presto vending machines." TheTrolleyPole (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC)