Talk:Touhou Project/Archive 1

First header
Immaterial and Missing Power was partially developed by ZUN, was it not? --Breathstealer 12:16, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, Perfect Cherry Blossom and others are not English titles. These are subtitles.--AS9900 12:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Point, but they're in common usage as such among English-speakers, and the meanings of the two usually correspond roughly. -Seventh Holy Scripture 01:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Why "Story of Eastern Wonderland"? As I recall, the game's title screen only bears the Japanese name, and during intermissions a subtitle, "Story of "HUMA" in Eastern Wonderland", is shown... --213.186.248.121 18:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Freeware?
Are the games freeware or shareware?
 * Neither, you have to pay for them. _dk 11:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't that what shareware is?
 * *think think think* yikes, you're right. _dk 12:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I thought that shareware implied that the freely distributable trial version can be 'unlocked' into the full version, without need for a physical purchase. Otherwise, isn't all software with a trial or demo version shareware, including that sold on store shelves? (Touhou games are sold at conventions and in specialized mail outlets not run by the creator, if the channel of distribution plays a part.) -Seventh Holy Scripture
 * Basically "Shareware" refers to a trial/demo version of a program. That's it. There are Shareware versions of the games... but calling the Touhou series a series of Shareware games is grossly inaccurate. As was stated, there are full version games which are Commercial products.
 * They are neither "Shareware" nor are they free. One pays for them to have a legitimate copy.  They are not commercial, though, which would mean "prepared, done, or acting with sole or chief emphasis on salability, profit, or success" (dictionary.com).  These titles are non-free amateur-produced software sold at the creator's cost.
 * Also, please don't confuse the "demo" versions with shareware, as they are sold in the same venues as the full versions, they are simply pre-release preview versions. This is a common thing for japanese doujin-soft creators to do as a service to the fans anticipating upcoming releases.--Gunso (talk) 04:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For some touhou games there are free demos available for download at the games' corresponding websites

Well you can get the games for free by searching for them at. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.69.4.115 (talk) 08:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Section for Tōhō characters
How about a separate page listing the characters from the Tōhō universe? --59.167.111.183 12:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Deadkid dk has a draft of such a page in his user section, but it's mostly a TOC right now. I'm not sure what its status is or whether he wants others to work on it yet. -Seventh Holy Scripture 17:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, please do. Its current state makes me giggle. _dk 00:06, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Might I add...anyone interested in making the list please come here. (7HS come back;___;) _dk 08:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Move to Touhou Project?

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

Moved. —Centrx→talk • 01:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Honestly, who calls these game Tōhō...? Although the Manual of Style guide for Japanese articles state that we should use the Hepburn romanization, it also gave this point:
 * Article titles should use macrons except in cases where the macronless spelling is in common usage in English-speaking countries (e.g., Tokyo, Osaka, Sumo and Shinto, instead of Tōkyō, Ōsaka, Sumō and Shintō).

Now, in the English-speaking countries everyone calls it Touhou, and I think everyone agrees with me here... As for "Project", that's what the Japanese wikipedia calls it....So, any objections before I move this page? _dk 08:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, the english patches and ZUN's swedish interview spell it as "Touhou". It turns out that I can't move it myself for some bizzare reason, so I put up a request on WP:RM. _dk 03:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Tōhō → Touhou Project – reasons above

Survey

 * Nom and support _dk 03:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Support, I despise Hepburn Ashi b aka tock 02:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak support If someone has a counterargument, I might be swayed. ZUN doesn't always make the best spelling decisions (fi. I'm in favor of Gensōkyō) -Seventh Holy Scripture 11:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Support as per above -- [[User:Korean alpha for knowledge|Korean alpha for knowledge ]] (Talk / Contributions) 09:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Remilia Scarlet
An acquaintance of mine created this article. However, I'm considering VfDing it. I don't think a Wikipedia article on her (or any of the individual characters) is necessary when we're working on a summary page for all the characters, most of the detailed information is also provided on TouhouWiki, and the rest is largely conjencture.

Deletion_policy/Minor_characters states that "Major characters from minor works should be merged into the main article for the book for easy accessibility (e.g. Dua from The Gods Themselves)." Since the Touhou fan community tends to turn even minor characters into important ones, and the resulting list of characters is prohibitively long, we can't follow this to the letter. However, it seems clearly against the intent of the policy to give any Touhou characters their own articles, unless you consider it to be a major work (while it might be in Japan, it definitely isn't elsewhere.)

Can I hear some other opinions on this? -Seventh Holy Scripture 09:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

(Sorry, O_H, if you drop by and take it personally! But I think it's better us then the fancruft vultures.)


 * Yea, I was meaning to do that, but I don't have the heart to. Him being O_H and her being Remilia and all that. _dk 20:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I tried.  I don't think he reads here. _dk 16:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * With the amount of info she has and for the sake of information, I think she deserves a place, and so does the flagship characters of the series. And no fancruft guys (save for one, probably one of you) has tried it so far. IIRC you shouldn't be afraid of fancrufting if there's sufficient factual information about a character, especially playable characters, not minor bosses no one's heard of. IaMP exploded their popularity more than how you can imagine, so naturally people will want to find out about this and that upclose and personal. Oherman 14:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * There's no doubt that enough information exists for an adequate article. However, the Wikipedia project has severe problems with systemic bias towards pop culture, and as a result all but the most significant works are regarded poorly by the administrators. If fairly well-known and story-centric games like Phoenix Wright and Skies of Arcadia, which certainly have sufficient character development for individual character articles, haven't recieved any then I really doubt Touhou should- Wikipedia's idea of 'major works' in gaming probably runs more toward Final Fantasy/Metal Gear Solid-tier.


 * My personal issues with the article stem from the content. Statements like "The reason that she looks like a child is that she chose to retain such appearance" and "Remilia is among the many characters in the game who wears traditional bloomers underneath her skirt" don't have any basis in canon, as far as I remember. The remaining information is just refactored from Remilia's TouhouWiki page. Why can't we just direct people there again? -Seventh Holy Scripture 17:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

What if it wasn't me who made the pages (here in wikipedia)? What if other people started doing pages like that? If you really insist, you'll have to do redirects or other people will unknowingly do pages and the problem starts again. You WILL have to put everything + edit in there though. Also, I don't see how they wouldn't regard that potential article seriously if it is written well. In regards to trivia, observations that can be proven count as fact, so I think my observations are valid. If people complain, defend. Don't worry about things that aren't in your doorstep. Sure, you want to prevent stuff early on, but you shouldn't worry too much either.

As to redirecting people to touhouwiki, that could raise eyebrows into advertising if it isn't worded carefully, and not all people have the brightest of perception. Oherman 18:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If it wasn't you, I'll still nominate it for deletion...it's not a personal thing. I do plan to make redirects for every character though. Wikipedia has some rather exclusive rules in terms of fictional characters...and in my observations, fictional characters who aren't really part of a cultural phenomenon tend to belong to a list instead of having his/her own article, because they are "non-notable". And, for overly detailed information that don't belong in lists....I recall that Wikipedia sugguests that they should be put on another wiki. That is how the Wookieepedia was made for Star Wars. In our case, we already have the TouhouWiki...if people see that as advertisement, that's really their problem, not ours. _dk 00:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Macrons
Unless the game is widely known in the English-speaking world as "Touhou", Wikipedia policy suggests that it should be moved to "Tōhō" (or "Tōhō Project") for the sake of consistency in spelling with other articles. LordAmeth 19:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Considering it's already been moved away from the macronized version once (the discussion is still on this page), and it is exclusively called "Touhou" by the English-speaking community, I think it's fine as it is. Moogy   ( talk )  19:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Nobody uses "Tōhō" at all. Voretus  talk  20:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright. Just wanted to point it out. LordAmeth 22:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Although "nobody" uses the macrons at all, I propose a revisit considering this is from 2006.Moocowsrule (talk) 06:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * Comparing the rules up their I realize I was wrong. I think it should stay Touhou Project. Sorry. Moocowsrule (talk) 06:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

Revisit
I was correct. According to Google, which most English speaking countries use, Tōhō Project is more popular than Touhou Project, approximately 1,790,000 to 68,800 respectively. I believe that this should be moved to Tōhō Project.Moocowsrule (talk) 06:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * Google hits are not always a good approximation of popularity in a title, and I feel the Google test should not be used as good evidence to back one spelling over another. Not to mention that you didn't do the Google test correctly. You need to put quotes around the phrase to see just how effectively it is being used. In this case, "Tōhō Project" gets 10,300 hits while "Touhou Project" gets 43,000...--  十  八  07:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:MJ says that if it's in doubt you should use google hits to back it up. But I guess I did it wrong... T~TMoocowsrule (talk) 07:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule
 * The only place that the word "google" appears in WP:MOS-JP is in the Syllabic "n" section, and since that section does not apply to this title, I don't see how it can be used in your argument.--  十  八  07:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Juhachi. Touhou is what is most commonly used for the English speaking world and what should be used here. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 15:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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Immaterial and Missing Power
Someone posted a notable tag on the IaMP article, saying it might not be notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Now I know, and I think we all agree, that IaMP is definitely notable, but I don't know how I can establish its notability. We can always make a "Reception" section, but I don't know where to look for sources. Please help, everyone. _dk 20:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Megamari
Where does Megamari fit in all this? KyuuA4 (talk) 18:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a fangame by Tasofro. _dk (talk) 21:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

ZUN, just an amateur?
Jun'ya Ota(ZUN) is after all epmloyeed at the Taito Corp. and has been involved in several titles. It is true that he makes Touhou on his spare time, but game developing is his profession, and therefor I don't see "amateur" fitting for describing him. - Seikmann 08. April 2008 08:04 (CET)


 * The term "amateur" is a rough translation of "doujin", where doujin would often describe small companies or individuals and their works, usually aside from mainstream (professional/corporate) works. ZUN is a professional game developer working for Taito Corporation (which would require formal training/expertise), but he also works for Team Shanghai Alice, a small doujin (amateur, hobbyist) software group, where he needs no professional training or expertise to perform his job. 69.108.106.39 (talk) 04:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Two issues
1. Too many external links. I think the vast majority of the current links are not directly relevant to the core of the article subject and should be removed, not to mention that some of them host materials of questionable legality (e.g. comics scans). Nobody cares in real life but since this is Wikipedia there's free image and license and fair use and all that good stuff. It would also prevent things like "link hijacking" silliness on 20/04/08. Personally I'd like the link to be limited to Team Shanghai Alice, Tasofro and Touhou Wiki, but I want to hear what others think.

2. Current games naming convention makes it sound like each game has official English localized title (which doesn't exist) with separate title used in Japan. This could be addressed somehow. Also, th02 and th06 subtitles are called the Story of Eastern Wonderland and the Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, respectively, if anyone cares. TMN (talk) 21:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1. Good idea.
 * 2. The English fan community overwhelmingly uses the English sub-titles instead of the official format like "Touhou Koumakyou ~ the Embodiment of Scarlet Devil", so the current arrangement is appropriate according to WP:Use English....Of course there should be some clarification for this, maybe we should have a "Name" section that discusses how the names are formatted like the Japanese article. (but that would be original research, Ayayayaya) _dk (talk) 22:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with 1 also and have no real opinion on 2. (On a side note, what's with all the maintenance tags? I think they were possibly added by a troll.) -Seventh Holy Scripture (talk) 22:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * This is kinda quick but I removed some links and maintenance tags (seems like one person put them all up without giving any reason). Not sure what to do with issue 2 (if anything) so I'll leave it for now. If anyone has any other opinion, please do post. TMN (talk) 01:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

"Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace or Fan sites), discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), USENET newsgroups or e-mail lists." Please discuss before making further changes.TMN (talk) 18:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Reason for the external links organization: Team Shanghai Alice and Twilight Frontier are official developer sites, and Touhou Wiki serves as repository of information which is largely an extension to this article's subject (this could be against section 12 of Links normally to be avoided of WP:EL but I think it's a reasonable exception given lack of other better/authoritative resources). Other sites are primarily fansites/forums and not appropriate as per WP:EL:

Subterranean Animism released
According to the site I'm part of, doujinstyle.com, TH11 has been released. Just thought you guys might want to check up on that and confirm that, adding to the current data and the release date. That and the fact that I have a copy of it. :P RPGfanatic (talk) 21:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

MAIKAZE Touhou Anime Project
An unofficial anime renamed "Touhou Secondary Creation Doujin Anime" was released on Dec. 29, 2008 at Comiket 75 by the circle MAIKAZE. The anime was most notable for its high-ranking professional Seiyuu (Rie Tanaka, Ayumi Syuji, etc.) and I realize no one has made a page for that. Is it just minor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikanata (talk • contribs) 03:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's because it's a non-notable doujin project that doesn't satisfy WP:GNG.--  十  八  08:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

UFO has no article
Why would the name be linked when it has no article and redirects to the Touhou Project page? Or does the game's text have to be translated first?--98.67.21.36 (talk) 18:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * They are linked with the hope that somebody will come along and notice that UFO (and SA) have no articles and write them for the sake of all humankind . The games' text don't need to be translated first, though that would be a great help. (I'd really like to see ZUN's afterwords translated for every game....) _dk (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they should be linked, but have no redirect (and therefore, appear in red). This gives a greater sense of "please write me!" than appearing blue and redirecting. However, this would have the drawback of a research on the title no longer immediately giving this article...Medinoc (talk) 08:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Touhou Hisōtensoku and Unthinkable Natural Law
I don't want to start an edit war, but Juhachi is opposed to the unofficial English title appearing in the article. I think it should, if only to get a hit when someone does a mediawiki search on "Unthinkable Natural Law"... Also, it's already referenced as such on the Namazu page.Medinoc (talk) 08:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * When the Touhou Hisōtensoku article gets written UNL will get a redirect. That's as much as it should get, I think. _dk (talk) 09:54, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Touhou 13
Given that ZUN's blog is here, and makes no mention whatsoever of a thirteenth game, what makes this a reliable source? Nifboy (talk) 22:29, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing, it's just an elaborate spoof.--  十  八  03:29, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh FFS, that editor has already tried creating an article for the spoof, and now I had to send it to AFD...--  十  八  03:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Page Layout
The reason we have tables is to explain the information on the page. If we leave the information on the page as prose, people who are do not know what Kanji etc. etc. would be dismayed at the information.

The article in prose is too in-universe.174.3.111.148 (talk) 22:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't believe the use of nihongo needs to be explained: It's used in the article's lead, for example. All the tables really seem to do is shove the prose off to the side. The table labels of "Kanji" and "Romanji" don't add any information to people who don't already know what those are. Nifboy (talk) 23:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Then this article would be in-universe. Precisely because this page would ONLY be for people who know japanese, this it would be inappropriate to not use headings.  There is something I missed, with your reply; I'll go and fix it now.174.3.111.148 (talk) 00:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I've looked at lede, and no where does it explain, kanji, romanji, or japanese.174.3.111.148 (talk) 00:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm saying the lead uses kanji and romanji in the very first sentence, without explaining it, as is standard in all Japan-related topics: "The Touhou Project (東方Project)," (although frankly the romanji can go, since it's just the English run through the Japanese pronunciation and back) -- Nifboy (talk) 00:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Do those Japan-related topics have information that can be grouped together? For example, do the prefecture articles have information that can be grouped under one heading, with corresponding information that can be grouped under another?


 * I don't understand the question; does it have to do with your recent edit to When to use tables which I don't quite understand either? Nifboy (talk) 07:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Dropped a note at the Video Games Project, btw, since the prose vs. table thing has implications across more articles than just this one. Nifboy (talk) 00:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * If there are more articles that have this problem, please list them.174.3.111.148 (talk) 06:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I would largely disagree with using tables, to separate the kanji/romaji, since that's what the nihongo template is for. Plus, it's not a question of in-universe, since that would be a question of talking about plot information, and most of the info on this article pertains to the games themselves, not to the individual plots (though those are covered somewhat). Not to mention that the tables look completely ugly, especially with those images stuck in the middle.--  十  八  02:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The function of nihongo not to separate kanji and romaji etc. It is used when only one specific case of it appears.  Yes, it is about being in-universe because a Grade 3er may never have seen kanji, and come across this game they've played on the internet, and would like to learn more about kanji.  I think the pictures look great in the table.  Let's not talk about aesthetics and what appeals to your systemic bias.174.3.111.148 (talk) 06:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Please don't throw around accusations of bias simply because it's not what you want. It seems to me your only rationale for organizing the information into tables is to explain the use of Kanji and Romanji, which is already done in the Contains Japanese text template just under the screenshot in the lead. The only real issue, therefore, is aesthetics, and a table format destroys the white space between paragraphs of prose. Nifboy (talk) 07:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * No, the bluelinks are for the reader to learn about kanji and romanji, not to lead them to a page that helps with the installation of Japanese text.174.3.111.148 (talk) 20:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, it's not about being in-universe, and it seems you have no idea what that term even means, at least on the context of Wikipedia. Please read WP:IN-U for an accurate definition. In the end, it's not a standard convention to split the kanji and romaji apart from the English titles and list them under different headers because that is precisely why nihongo is used so we don't have to separate them. The template is there to allow people to see the kanji and how it is pronounced in romaji; you don't need anymore than that. In any case, you seem to be behind quite a bit of consensus from here and the WT:VG project not to use the tables, so I assume we'll be going back to the old way of formatting within a day or so. Might I add, taking advice from more experienced editors may be good for a new editor like yourself who has only been on Wikipedia for less than a month and may not be as familiar with our policies and guidelines than more experienced editors.--  十  八  08:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia, the kanji and romaji are not essential information and only serves to interest people who already know these concepts (and thus no need to point them out as "Kanji!" or "This Column Contains Romaji!"). If people in grade 3 stumble onto this article and has no idea what these blocky letters are, it's not this article's responsibility to teach them; and that would not detract them from knowing about Touhou either! Providing a question mark they can click on in the nihongo template is the most we should do should they have the burning urge to find out more about the Japanese language. This is an article on Touhou, not Beginning Japanese 101 for god's sake! _dk (talk) 12:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, people are misunderstanding what I mean when I say in-universe. Ok, a bad choice of words. What I mean is that crossreferencing, or bluelinking, creates an article that has less relevance to other articles in the encyclopaedia. nihongo is not used when it is possible to put information in tables. It's used in prose.

Ok, I want the words kanji and romanji etc. linked, and other information that facilitates learning. As I said before, nihongo does not lead to an encyclopaedic articles. It is a page that explains how to install Japanese fonts, which is extremely irrelevant and detracting.

Of course this article isn't about Japanese. Simply putting information in tables is not harm, and linking to articles that are "Beginning Japanese 101" (articles that explain and in the appropriate case, elaborate; and not TEACH) is more quality.174.3.111.148 (talk) 00:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Contains Japanese text is not an article element.01:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.111.148 (talk)
 * And as Dk said, it is not the place for this page to go into such linguistic detail. This is about a video game series, plain and simple, so the article should attempt to stay focused on that and not go off on awkward tangents that do anything but facilitate an easier viewing and reading experience for anyone who chooses to browse this article.--  十  八  01:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Compare Ratchet and Clank (series). Why is my format acceptable in that article?174.3.111.148 (talk) 01:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not unacceptable. We just don't share your fascination with tables everywhere and prefer the conciseness of prose. Wikipedia is consensus-driven and the consensus is not with you in this article. That is all. _dk (talk) 01:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * This is a friendly reminder: wp:own. Also, articles should be consistent.  Please tell me how Ratchet and Clank (series) requires a table and this does not.174.3.111.148 (talk) 02:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and you come in as if you WP:OWN the place. _dk (talk) 03:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well there obvious issues with this article. It needs clean up; it mentions plot here and there. Then it talks about production history, then it talks about biography. And still then it talks about nomenclature and description.174.3.111.148 (talk) 01:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you be more specific as to where these problems occur? I thought they're very clearly separated under different headings but that's from my perspective as an editor. Do you have a different idea on how the page should be structured? _dk (talk) 02:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It's the style of the description of these games. If we had columns showing the relationship of the information, that would be alot more helpful.


 * For example: "This game was produced in collaboration with Twilight Frontier, and is the 7.5th game in the series.".


 * The sentence talks about the production history, then the nomenclature. Then later on in the paragraph, it talks about the biography (of the game), then the plot.174.3.111.148 (talk) 02:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I see you're still fixated on tables. I'm going to assume you don't like to read paragraphs from here on. There's no point in talking any more. _dk (talk) 03:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, you are not contributing to the discussion. You are totally ignoring the point I want to bring out that Ratchet and Clank (series) table, and I don't think there is any definable difference between the content of the tables?  Our articles need consistency.  Please discuss why this article is special?174.3.111.148 (talk) 04:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Simply because other stuff exists is not a good enough reason to go by, especially if the example article you are citing is not featured.--  十  八  09:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Nor is this a featured article. And featured articles have their problems.  It is no benchmark.  Please read wp:mos.  It says articles must be consistent.174.3.111.148 (talk) 19:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would rather not have tables, thanks. Nifboy (talk) 19:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The MOS says "An overriding principle is that style and formatting should be consistent within a Wikipedia article, though not necessarily throughout Wikipedia as a whole." Good job trying to twist the words to fit your argument. _dk (talk) 23:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * All your arguments are based on aethetics with no unsuperfluous argument against using table.174.3.111.148 (talk) 02:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As are yours; a mangled interpretation of our guidelines isn't a convincing argument. Nifboy (talk) 02:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The purpose of manual of style is to make publications consistent. Articles should be internally consistent, but articles should be consistent between themselves.174.3.111.148 (talk) 02:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Please stop lying.174.3.111.148 (talk) 02:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Please see the articles objectivity and subjectivity. Also see wp:i just don't like it.174.3.111.148 (talk) 02:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Consistency should be rejected if it makes the encyclopedia worse: See Ignore All Rules, one of our founding principles. Nifboy (talk) 02:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * In this cause, your view is aesthetics. See wp:i just don't like it.  Ignore All Rules should be taken with a grain of salt, and it should be used with common sense.  See WP:IAR? and wp:use common sense.  Ignore All Rules does not apply everywhere.174.3.111.148 (talk) 00:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I still don't understand what your argument is and/or why it's superior. Nifboy (talk) 02:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

wp:ARTICLEPROBLEM174.3.111.148 (talk) 23:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Trying to perpetuate an essay which you just wrote makes absolutely no sense to help your argument.--  十  八  23:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Minor Edits
I do not know where captions are small on wikipedia. On the contrary, most captions do not have superfluous formatting. Also, it is hard to read with the small text.

I really don't know what does substitute a section of links? Is the magic number 3? Before you revert edits, have something to say and say it here.174.3.111.148 (talk) 03:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Blank.jpg|thumb|left|I'm a caption and I am very small. I'm also going to assume you absolutely abhor things that are in-line. [[User:Deadkid dk|_dk]] (talk) 03:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)]]


 * I don't understand what you are trying to say. Ok.  I want to say that  in captions, as you are doing is not, common, as you want to think.  Captions are small enough as they are, why are you making them smaller?  The ASCII art does not need a small caption.  It's perfectly fine left as unformatted text.  If you want another perspective, because the caption is in the box, it is not possible to confuse the text (I am referring to the caption) with the text (content) in the paragraph.174.3.111.148 (talk) 04:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * What do you mean things in-line?174.3.111.148 (talk) 04:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Image captions don't use  because they get their small font size by default via CSS. The yukkuri illustration isn't an image, so its caption isn't able to take advantage of that default setting, which is why   is used to make the font size similar to that of image captions. --TheSinnerChrono (talk) 21:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Some computers do not have CSS.174.3.111.148 (talk) 00:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Computers that don't have CSS couldn't render Wikipedia anyway. Nifboy (talk) 03:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Repeated Reverts
I have discussed at length with the editors involved pointing out the existence of the table in Ratchet and Clank (series) which has no apparent feature that requires a table at that article, and this one: none. Their reply?: none.

Captions are not small on wikipedia; rarely is this so. The caption is made smaller, unnecessarily, making it harder to read, and this formatting (as this is only what it is) serves no other purpose than being superfluous.

This is ambiguous and his definition has not been defined.174.3.111.148 (talk) 05:55, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Touhou 12.5
Right here; http://kourindou.exblog.jp/ 173.32.79.97 (talk) 01:21, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a Joke right? I don't hate StB but it's not one of my fave Touhou titles. I'll be skipping this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackgaia02 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Reception?
The 'reception' section, although it contains a great deal of information about this series' fandom and spin-off material, seems to be lacking something obvious: information about the reception of the games themselves. Have they received any reviews by reliable sources? Are they considered good, bad, or what? Almost every other Wikipedia article about videogames includes mention of reviews, I don't see why they shouldn't be included here as well. Robofish (talk) 14:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Names and Romanization
Concerning Touhou character names, on Touhou Wiki we use Hepburn romanization for native Japanese names, along with the standard romanization for the native language of other names (i.e., Hong Meiling, Medicine Melancholy, Flandre Scarlet, instead of Hoan Meirin, Medisin Merenkori, and Furandoru "Frandle" Sukaareto). The names get screwed up a lot, so keeping the names the same makes it easy to remember and pronounce along with simplified layers of translation. (And if I hear "Momizi" again, ugh!) Arekku (talk) 07:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and here we use the official names, as given by ZUN in the games. In this case, Hong Meirin is the correct form, as given in EoSD.--  十  八  10:35, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Where in EoSD? I don't recall the Japanese version giving a romanization of her name anywhere. In her cut-in it's just "紅 美鈴", and unlike the later games EoSD didn't show boss names at the top left. -Seventh Holy Scripture (talk) 11:15, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It isn't given in EoSD. It's "Hong Meirin" in IaMP and revised EaLND, "Hong Meyling" in original EaLND, and "Hoan Meirin" in PMiSS. --TheSinnerChrono (talk) 12:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Exactly why we use this sort've convention. ZUN, et al, are generally very inconsistent with their romanization.  Also, doing it that way preserves the original meaning of their name (e.g. Flandre).Arekku (talk) 18:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And "Hong Meirin" in th12.3 as well, when you see her as an enemy in story mode. For the current issue at hand, we can't speak for ZUN that, "hey ZUN you got this wrong, this is how your character should be romanized since it should have this original meaning", since that would be considered original research in Wikipedia. _dk (talk) 01:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a convention already used elsewhere, so it's not exactly "original research" on Wikipedia. Just as TheSinnerChrono said earlier, there's two other different spellings of her name by ZUN.  If you want to stick with "Hong Meirin" since ZUN's used it more than the other names, what if he suddenly makes a game solely about "Hoan Meiling" where he uses that name multiple times?  Do we then use that name instead, since it's outnumbering "Hong Meirin"?  Finally, "Meirin" is already a transliteration from "Meiling", from Chinese to Japanese.  I guess we should start calling Flandre "Furandoru", since that's what ZUN calls her too, even if it's the French name of a Dutch-speaking region, transliterated into Japanese and then in to English.  Arekku (talk) 14:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm gonna go with "Hong Meiling" etc on this one, per Naming conventions (use English), for which the guiding principle is, "use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language". No other variant is nearly as common amongst the English-speaking, regardless of the existence of any "official" romanization(s). Nifboy (talk) 15:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ZUN calls Frandre a lot of things officially in English (noted on the article), but Furandoru has never been one of the official romanizations. If ZUN happens to use Hoan Meiling most, then yes, this page would use that version however horrible it sounds. "Hong Meiling", though a reasonable transliteration, has not once been used in any official material, unlike Medicine and Frandre. It is IMO good enough that we even list "Hong Meiling" at all on the character list. Also, ZUN has been consistently using Kunrei-shiki romanization for Japanese names since IN (except for long vowels). If we strictly use Hepburn romanization, we'd end up with monstrosities like "Yōmu Konpaku". The "Use English" convention doesn't apply to fan translations, which "Hong Meiling" definitely is one (while "Sanae Kotiya" over "Sanae Kochiya" is debatable). Specifically, the convention states "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources" and "do not substitute a systematically transliterated name for the common English form of the name". _dk (talk) 14:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think ZUN is a reliable source for romanizing foreign-language names transliterated into Japanese. In the absence of any reliable English language sources, I would go to the "most common" principle. Nifboy (talk) 01:40, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ZUN is not a reliable source about his own games?! Comtiq and ZUN, when correcting the mistakes of the first EaLND manga volume, specifically states "Hong Meyling" as incorrect and "Hong Meirin" as correct when romanizing her name. If ZUN alone is not reliable or official enough, is Kadokawa Shoten good enough? Anyways, can we get more people to chime in on this? _dk (talk) 02:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as it goes with Sanae, though, Kochiya is the far more accepted spelling in English sources, I've only seen Kotiya being used in the fan translations of Mountain of Faith and Subterranean Animism. Based on that, wouldn't it make more sense to use Kochiya as opposed to Kotiya on relevant articles? 94.11.16.250 (talk) 23:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

(unindent) I was under the impression that the English fantranslations made her name "Kochiya" while ZUN's readme bios and the Japanese version of the game has "Kotiya" as the romanization. It's true that "Kochiya" is more popular in English blogs, forums, and imageboards, but none of them are reliable sources that Wikipedia requires, unlike the official game itself in its unaltered Japanese version. _dk (talk) 05:00, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Touhou 12.8 announced
http://kourindou.exblog.jp/12990219/ One word to say to this: ⑨ ⑨ ⑨ ⑨ ⑨ ⑨ ⑨ Blackgaia02 (talk) 10:57, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Link problems?
The first link at least doesn't work anymore. Re-link maybe? 82.128.186.86 (talk) 14:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There were two dead links, I fixed them both. Thanks for notifying. _dk (talk) 21:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

MIDI in Windows Touhou
Be it abundantly clear that Windows-era Touhou games use primarily PCM music as mastered by the author. MIDI is available as a fall-back and is noticeably inferior in quality; it is also unreliable as it depends on the sound font used by the system/soundcard, resulting in disparaging renditions of the musics.

Touhou music is MIDI is a widely spread misconception, propagated by some knowingly as to lead others into thinking it's cheap and bad.

Note that demonstration versions of the games don't include the PCM versions of the musics to save space. Due to a seemingly lack of compression, most of the space occupied by game files is the PCM music. (e.g. Touhou 6's PCM musics occupy 310 MiB. Touhou 7's occupy 424MiB.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.136.164.197 (talk) 01:30, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikis
Why are two not allowed to be listed? One is still there as well as the other so there is no real harm done except to remove the old one that is still being worked on when you go to look at it. --Heimae (talk) 10:52, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a question of whether or not both wikis are allowed to be listed. It's the issue that one wiki is currently the outdated content copy of the other wiki. The only thing the Wikia wiki has going for it is the slight graphical design of the front page. Maybe if the Wikia wiki gains more unique content in the future it can be added to the list. Otherwise we might as well list a bunch of other fan-made Touhou web resources. Pufferfish1☢1 17:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to elaborate, I'm saying that right now the Wikia wiki seems to be moving away from being just a content fork, which is good. Maybe once it actually gets off the ground with that new vision, then it can be added to the list as not just another wiki. Frankly though, right now it just isn't there yet, and its relative lack of content or userbase doesn't really justify its inclusion on the page. In general, links to old and outdated sites don't do the visitors to this Wikipedia page any good. Pufferfish1☢1 17:51, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

"...In Popular Culture" or "Reception and Legacy"
Haven't Touhou characters appeared in anime series unrelated to it? I figure that a section expanding on this would be appropriate. --98.112.178.7 (talk) 00:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I will admit, I'm not a big fan of "in popular culture" sections. I think information like that would fit better on the fan wiki. Pufferfish1☢1 02:13, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I feel like it would be important to mention NIS America who in recent years have localized a portion of fangames to the west, thus connecting the series' fans. 2:35, 25 October 2017 (MT)

幻想万華鏡 (Touhou Gensou Mangekyou) ~The Memories of Phantasm~
I'm not seeing any information on Wikipedia about the doujin anime OVA based on the Touhou project that was recently released. I'd add it myself, but I don't have the time. rzrscm (talk) 21:33, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

touhou/tōhō?
I am open with both. "touhou" is through the article but in titles of each game not; any reason/convention behind this? and it happens for "dōjin", "yōkai", etc. Forgive my ignorance but juz want to knwo why. Thanks.w Robinchm (talk) 06:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "Touhou" seems to be a more common romanization than "Tōhō". In Japanese media where English has been used sometimes the makers will use a different method of romanization (thus "Tōhō"), however it is probably more recognizable for English users of the wiki if "Touhou" is used. Doujin/Dōjin and Youkai/Yōkai is less commonly used, and I'm not sure but the differences can probably be overlooked as something minor. --203.100.208.149 (talk) 14:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The long o sound is written as 'ou' in Japanese, but sometimes (usually) written as ō in romaji. Thus, in hiragana, Touhou is とうほう (to-u-ho-u), but it's generally written in kanji, which is 東方.  rzrscm (talk) 21:41, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * For the sake of consistency, I believe Tōhō should be used on Wikipedia. Most (pretty much all) of the “overseas” manga and anime fans romanize with ou and not ō, because you generally can't write ō on a PC without using its character code, copying it, or specifically binding it to a key. Just using o is considered wrong, and the use of ou is conscious. I am for abolishing the use of ō in the place of ou, but because Wikipedia sticks to ō, I see no reason why it should use Touhou over Tōhō just because fans [always] write Touhou. It is inconsistent, and I could argue changing a lot of ō's to ou's for the same reason: “People generally use ou when they write this” [insert 10 citations here]. Unlike British English/American English, this is not a matter of what was used in the article first. That said, I'm not opposed to having a sentence at the start clarifying the broad use of Touhou to people who do not initially understand that an ō is not an o. 158.37.73.63 (talk) 22:37, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Read the archive, "Touhou" is also used officially. _dk (talk) 01:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason it's spelt Touhou is because no one on the net uses the ō. The reason ZUN supports the ou spelling—and this is just a wild guess—is because it's not wrong, it's generally perceived to be better in the relevant community, and most importantly: it's what the community already called it. I highly doubt ZUN cares much about romanization of Japanese as he is Japanese himself, and cares even less for the use of ō which is neither Japanese or English. I looked at the archive request, and the reasoning given is completely wrong. By that reasoning, it should be Toho and neither Touhou or Tōhō.
 * Quote:
 * “Honestly, who calls these game Tōhō...? Although the Manual of Style guide for Japanese articles state that we should use the Hepburn romanization, it also gave this point:
 * Article titles should use macrons except in cases where the macronless spelling is in common usage in English-speaking countries (e.g., Tokyo, Osaka, Sumo and Shinto, instead of Tōkyō, Ōsaka, Sumō and Shintō).”
 * And from the following quote...:
 * “Now, in the English-speaking countries everyone calls it Touhou, and I think everyone agrees with me here...”
 * ...Just about anything written by Western communities on the web should be written with ou over ō on Wikipedia. The ō is [experienced guess] only used when entire names are copied from e.g. Wikipedia, or by certain professional translators, or by novice people who learned Japanese in school, was taught that they should use the ō in Hepburn romanization, and stick to it. As I said, I am very much in favour of calling it Touhou—and I do—but I don't see a valid justification for it on Wikipedia, given the circumstances.
 * Fair enough, the archive didn't have any objections at the time (out of only 4 votes), but I don't see any valid argument for it. One of the voters (possibly two: “as per above”) stated they agreed with the change simply because they don't like Hepburn. I've countered both the misinterpreted exception, and the fan usage (which is not even an exception). Unless the games are actually published in the Western world as Touhou (which is definitely not impossible), ZUN's “official” spelling is as relevant as the fact that a lot of names and words may, in fact, be spelled with ou without protest. 158.37.73.63 (talk) 03:04, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There are also relevant guidelines that says we should use the title that is the most common among the readership, WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME, and that is the reason why I used an appeal to popularity when I first proposed the move. Normally Hepburn does take precedence over other forms of romanization on Wikipedia (ie. ō over ou), but this is when there is no official romanization. For Touhou we clearly have an official romanization, and "Touhou" is clearly the most popular on both sides of the Pacific (no Western source uses Tōhō, and I'm not talking about fanworks). Whatever ZUN's reasons for how he latinized the name is not important (and all that we can come up with is at best "a wild guess"), the important thing is that he intended an English name to be used, and we should stick with it. _dk (talk) 00:41, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been told that a discussion about this topic has been brought up at the dispute resolution noticeboard. As a result, the discussion here is being continued in this thread ->Dispute resolution noticeboard. Those interested should chime in as well. Thanks. _dk (talk) 07:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Game article titles
Nothing special, I'd just like to move the games to something like "Touhou Shinreibyō: Ten Desires". These "English titles" are actually subtitles. Despatche (talk) 18:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Regarding non-humans
There are definitely non-humans other than yokai. These include lunarians, gods, etc. They are neither humans, nor yokai.--New questions? 08:20, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Article referencing
So, I've decided to embark on the slow and tiresome journey of attempting to eventually bring this article to GA status, given that I have the time and whatnot. (Unlike many of my other self-proclaimed things to do, I hope I don't give up half way. This might end up taking more time than I anticipate.) Having a look at the B-class criteria for this article (see the template at the top of this talkpage), I've noticed that the article currently fails B1 criteria for referencing and citation. Now, regarding real-life things such as the reception section, I understand that I obviously need to find reliable references, however, I am unsure on what to do with things relating to canon lore and plot. Would it be reasonable to cite official canon works, such as the  files from the games, in-game dialogue, and the official printed works as references for such information? Having a look at Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (a B-class article) and associated MGS articles, in-game storyline is referenced in such a manner. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 09:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding an image to the Infobox
Why is there not an image for the infobox? It makes the article seem dull and bland. I have attempted to add an image, but I am simply too inexperienced to do so, with Wikipedia's difficult editing system. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flaevateinn (talk • contribs) 03:52, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

help please
Um guys. I don't know what I'm doing, so I was wondering if you guys could please fix my edit and put it in the fan works section. ==67.183.90.233 (talk) 05:35, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Guinness World Records
Before September 2013, the Touhou was deleted from the site of Guinness. Is there the person knowing why it was deleted and whether this record is listed in a book version? ┗ 2013年9月以前に、「東方」はギネスのサイトから削除されました. なぜ これが削除されたのか、この記録は書籍版のギネスにも記載されているのか、知っている人はいませんか？ --Starchild1884 (talk) 21:44, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It's at least in the Guinness World Records 2011 Gamer's Edition as seen here . If I venture a guess, it's just that the Guinness site has been poorly maintained. The normal links from their home page don't even work. It's probably nothing to worry about. _dk (talk) 03:44, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you! --Starchild1884 (talk) 21:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Bad Apple
Why does Bad Apple redirect here if this article doesn't include a single reference to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.230.46 (talk) 14:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ditto. "bad apple" is a common English expression. 173.66.211.53 (talk) 02:26, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Bad Apple, U. N. Owen Was Her and Night Of Nights are all songs attributed to tõhõ/touhou project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.109.191.90 (talk) 19:47, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Higly Responsive to Prayers
recently copied the content from the Touhou wiki to Higly Responsive to Prayers. Is there something to be done about it?--  十  八  21:26, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If it is to stay, it should be moved to the correct title. I am, however, extremely uncomfortable about the article plagiarizing Touhou Wiki even if it is licensed under C.C. 4.0; not to mention that the topic would likely fail WP:N. _dk (talk) 00:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not even sure that license is viable. Under the restrictions, C.C. 4.0 says "If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original", which is something Wikipedia cannot do. It would be one thing if, say, the content from the Touhou wiki was copy and pasted onto another page, but once you start editing the content on Wikipedia, C.C. 4.0 falls apart. The attribution restriction is also kind of hard to do on Wikipedia. I would also agree that WP:GNG would be a major hurdle to the original 5 games getting their own articles.--  十  八  00:44, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Then deletion would be our solution. Do the speedy deletion criteria still apply? _dk (talk) 01:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Investigating further, WP:COMPLIC specifically states CC BY-SA 4.0 is not compatible with Wikipedia, so WP:G12 would probably be applicable.--  十  八  02:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I have placed a speedy tag on that article since it's an unlikely typo, and that copyright violations should not remain in the history. _dk (talk) 03:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

But why the 5 games aren't can have your oun articles? The PC-98 games have the sabe notability as the windows games, including the Story and Characters Jose8122 (talk) 21:38, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

"Eastern"
Currently, each game title is translated along the lines of "Tōhō Reiiden?, lit. "Wondrous Eastern Legend"". I believe this is in error. Tōhō does mean "Eastern", but Tōhō is the series title and Reiiden the individual game title. You can't mash the two together and translate the result as if it were one single title. 2.24.119.119 (talk) 23:03, 29 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry to offend you but you're wrong. "Touhou Reiiden" means "Wondrous Eastern Legend/Strange Eastern Legend". If "Touhou Reiiden" was translated into "Eastern Spirit Strange Legend", would that make any sense? No. So we have translation to translate the correct way. --RainPearl (talk) 07:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Tagging(?)
Much of this seems to be written from a fan's point of view. I won't tag it yet.learnergenius (talk) 03:59, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Game titles
How come the games are referred by their English subtitle and not their actual Japanese title? Quwanti (talk) 12:26, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

As a guess, I'd say the names are listed here as their subtitles as these are what most people who know them from English speaking backgrounds know them as. Likewise, I'd guess the original names are used on the Japanese page. Cyberghoul 0961 (talk) 17:39, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Regarding plot
The plot of the PC-98 games is unrelated to that of the windows games. It is completely incorrect to say "Before Highly Responsive to Prayers."New questions? 08:22, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I hear that ZUN said that if there's contradictions between the PC-98 era and the Windows era, the Windows history takes over. say what (talk) 20:08, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Two requested move discussions
Hello, I have created requested move discussions for two Touhou Project games: Please feel free to discuss these proposed moves on their talk pages, which can be found here and here. — Goszei (talk) 21:24, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil → Embodiment of Scarlet Devil
 * Touhou Hisōtensoku → Touhou Hisoutensoku

Creation of a page for Wily Beast and Weakest Creature and Violet Detector?
I was wondering if anyone has compiled enough information about Wily Beast and Weakest Creature and Violet Detector as those pages do not exist and those games have been out for some time? Reimu chan (talk) 20:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

GOCE copyedit request

 * Reimu Hakurei, the main character of the series and the maiden of the Hakurei Shrine [...] First of many mentions of Reimu being a miko. For consistency, you think a wikilinked miko will be enough? — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I support this change.
 * ✅. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * [...] is often tasked with resolving supernatural "incidents" caused by antagonistic yōkai and others. "And others" sounds weird. How does changing antagonistic yōkai and others into other Gensokyo inhabitants sound? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I support this change.
 * ✅. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Numerous sequels followed, including several spin-offs from the traditional bullet hell format. The important part is that there are spin-offs that are not in a bullet hell format, right? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is the important part.
 * ✅. Using the phrase "departed from". — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Excited at the opportunity to test her abilities, she takes off with her Yin-Yang Orbs on the back of her turtle Genjii to seek out the source of the invasion. Genjii appears to be the official name, but with MOS here it seems like it should be Genjī.
 * I don't think it's ever been officially rendered in English, so I think it should default to Genjī, yes.
 * ✅. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Initially playable characters include Reimu, Marisa, and Sakuya, as well as Alice Margatroid and Youmu Konpaku from Perfect Cherry Blossom and Patchouli Knowledge from Embodiment of Scarlet Devil. Alice's actual debut in Mystic Square should probably be mentioned. I'm thinking about mentioning her first appearance in the blurb for Perfect Cherry Blossom. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Good point, I think that should be mentioned too.
 * ✅. Moved around some stuff. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The bonus system is based on collecting "Undefined Fantastic Objects", or UFOs, which appear from defeated enemies as unidentified flying objects in three colors (green, red, and blue). I personally feel this is a bit too much detail, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree, a bit too much detail.
 * ✅. Removed everything after "or UFOs". — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * There are no seas in Gensokyo, since it is an inland mountain. I don't recall Gensokyo being a mountain; Youkai Mountain exists. Is it surrounded by mountains? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that sentence is just trying to say that Gensokyo is landlocked.
 * ✅. Switched it to mention being landlocked. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The "Great Hakurei Barrier," managed by Hakurei Miko [...] I can't find an article on Touhou Wiki about Reimu's predecessor named as such; the only mentions of Miko Hakurei I could find were of a fanmade character. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think this is trying to say that the barrier has been managed by a line of "Hakurei Shrine Maidens" -- Reimu is the incumbent position-holder.
 * ✅. Made miko lowercase so that it's not a proper noun. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The dōjin games based on Touhou include adaptations of other game series' mechanics with Touhou characters, such as Komajou Densetsu: Scarlet Symphony [...] Is it romanised as such officially? Rendering it as Kōmajō Densetsu for now. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Per my Genjī comment above, I think Kōmajō Densetsu is proper.
 * ✅. Leaving it as edited. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Touhou Project mainly focuses on incidents in its stories, but there are also works like Mountain of Faith that are about events other than incidents. Emphasis in original. What is the difference between an event and an incident? Are we talking about plots that carry over beyond one game? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This refers to the named "incidents" in some of the games (紅霧異変, Scarlet Mist Incident; 春雪異変, Spring Snow Incident) -- TouhouWiki has a page that explains. I don't know if this distinction is meaningful enough to be mentioned here though.
 * I kind of see what you're getting at. Some plots in games aren't on the scale of incidents that affect the entirety of Gensokyo. I've changed it to talk about events that are less severe in scale. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking forward to your reply! — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  03:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Great work so far -- this article needs a lot of sourcing work and cutting, but that's a whole other matter. — Goszei (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Think I've addressed most issues. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I think I've done everything I can for this article so far. Let me know if there's anything else that needs addressing. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  19:59, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Correctly pinging this time. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  20:00, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Concerning Sakuya
In the section for the game Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, there should be a sentence at the very end that points out that Sakuya Izayoi makes her first appearance here as the 5th boss. Also, someone needs to make an article for Touhou: Luna Nights, a Metroidvania title that features Sakuya as the protagonist, which you can read about on the game's Steam page. Stick-Destiny (talk) 19:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Might be worth considering a List of Touhou Project fangames, while we're at it. Loafiewa (talk) 15:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * @Loafiewa There are a ton of fangames (even more than the base games made by ZUN, suprisingly), so you might be up until midnight if you're going to make a list of fangames. Honestly, only a couple of fangames really deserve an article, and given the recentness of Luna Nights and how well-received it was (and is), I felt that it would be necessary to have an article made for it. So, maybe make a list of games, but don't provide articles for them unless you want to be tired in the morning. Stick-Destiny (talk) 22:21, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't plan on creating any further fangame articles, mostly because it looks to me like Luna Nights is the only one that would pass GNG – there was a surprising lack of coverage on Super Marisa, I thought that was the one game everyone knew. And I can't cover every single fangame for obvious reasons, but if I start with all the ones I can find on Steam, I figure that'll be a good enough start. Loafiewa (talk) 14:46, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Definitely make articles for the ones that have made it to platforms like Steam. That would be a worthy pursuit. Stick-Destiny (talk) 17:18, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Touhou Gouyoku Ibun
Since the game has been out for a while and hasn't gotten an article yet, should someone create one? Emperortoehoe (talk) 18:20, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @Emperortoehoe: Potentially. The only new character is Yūma, but it's possible that gameplay could get a substantial write-up, and development and reception as well. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:27, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I created an article for the game today (Touhou Gouyoku Ibun). Is still quite stubby so if anyone wants to add to it, feel free. I will add to it when I have more time. - Kettleonwater (talk) 02:01, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Embodiment of Scarlet Devil revamp and peer review request
Hi everyone! Over the last few months I have been making a lot of edits to Embodiment of Scarlet Devil to the point where it is now pretty much a B-Class article. I want to take it all the way to GA status, and if possible, FA by the time the game reaches 20 next August. If anyone can peer review or help with the article that would be really great. Thank you - Kettleonwater (talk) 02:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

"to the few restrictions placed by ZUN on the use of his content."
It'd be interesting to add examples of those 'few restrictions' 91.126.241.249 (talk) 08:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

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Internet memes section
Too short. Merely covers 1 meme ("yukkuri") w/o even adding any pictures of yukkuris. Профе((ор кислых щей (talk) 13:05, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Agree. Considering how many memes there are, and the sudden boom in popularity that Fumos got, there should at least be mentions of a few more of them.
 * I would say go with Yukkuris, Fumos, McRolls, and Cirno, if only because they're some of the "bigger ones", unless someone really wants to flesh that out and include emoting Mokou or something. cogsan (talk) 18:11, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * A word of caution that the number of memes it spawned could be large enough to be its own article (if Internet Survivor is anything to go by), so I wouldn't go so exhaustive that it basically becomes the article. Related, I own a couple of Fumos and a strong camera, as it looks like commons does not have any photos of them. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 18:40, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think two or three paragraphs would be enough. Or just adding it to the list of characters, which would probably cause some trouble if a character had more than one meme associated with them.
 * Unfortunately, seeing as you're a Fumo owner with a good enough camera, I have to hold off on adding anything about them myself out of fear for what you might do. cogsan (talk) 19:05, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fumo should be added, but at this point it has become so popular that it also deserves it own page as it has spread to other communities and might even count as viral due to the high demand in places like the United States. Elusive Taker (talk) 17:42, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Fumos have gone out of Touhou's scope and into "general internet schizo bullshittery" territory, and I'm all for it. Only have to wonder if reliable sources are as well.
 * But if they're SOMEHOW not notable enough for an article, they have enough sub-memes that they might end up qualifying anyway. cogsan (talk) 17:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * A while ago I also wanted to write a "Fumos" paragraph and drafted it in my sandbox. However, I soon came to the realization that there was nothing other than shops when googling "fumo touhou". I think WP:POPULARITY, unfortunately, comes to play here in that fumos are very, very popular (and cute) in online culture but there are simply insufficient published sources that exist out there. lol1 VNIO  ( I made a mistake?  talk to me ) 18:03, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Reliable sources seem to be generally out of the loop with memes, for better or worse.
 * And to add salt to my would-be injury, all the results I got were Brazilian anti-drug PSAs that only make drugs look cool, and Google doesn't want me changing my region for some reason. Can't believe I'll have to fork over some dosh for a VPN to write about marketable plushies based on Japanese monster girls (and also Cirno). cogsan (talk) 18:10, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure fumos fit in the idea of internet memes. Perhaps a different section labeled "merchandise" would fit better? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 16:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I would use one of those "how about both?" reaction images, but I forgot where I keep mine, having two sections dedicated to them might not be a good idea and the image might be copyrighted. Unless I make a Fumo edit. cogsan (talk) 17:26, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Copyright applies to the character only, while a trademark applies to the design of the idea of Fumos itself. Not to mention Touhou content already exists on wikicommons without it getting in trouble with copyright. Elusive Taker (talk) 20:32, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I meant the original "how about both?" image, which I have here somewhere even if I don't remember where. I'm not sure that one is copyrighted, but if it's not, it'd be fitting. If it is, I should probably whip out GMod and make a fitting enough reaction image myself.
 * Either way, I could see Fumos being in either section, but marketing might take priority. cogsan (talk) 20:44, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Extra stage
The article currently says "The only games that allow players to reach the extra stage by completing the easy difficulty are..." and lists ten games. Excluding Fairy Wars and the Phantasmagorias, it's 9 of 16 or more than half the main number titles! Time to admit that requiring Normal 1cc to unlock Extra is no longer the norm, and drop the "only" wording. 2A00:23C7:548F:C01:800:9746:153B:C538 (talk) 19:47, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Bad Apple meme
I think the part of the article about internet memes should mention the meme where people try to load a fan made animation on anything and everything possible 2600:1700:EB01:20A0:6C47:38BE:1FE7:E723 (talk) 11:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * check the song's own article, it's a pile of good cogsan  •  (give me attention)  •  (see my deeds)  11:06, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Gender Ratio Survey
The 2023 survey cited for having the Touhou fanbase's gender ratio doesn't seem to mention Touhou at all, unless I'm missing something.

It's in Reception and fanworks Polishedrelish (talk) 05:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * . Thanks for pointing that out. I'm inclined to believe that it's another article on the site that should be cited, but which one I can't say. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Touhou Project can be found in the graph from the article. The survey is about 「推し」 (Oshi), which the article defines as 「人に薦めたいと思うほど好感を持っている人や物」 (Thing, person etc. that someone likes to the extent they want to recommend it to someone else). The full article can only be read in the magazine, but from the online version, it seems they surveyed over 50,000 people on December 16th, where or how is not said, about what things that they recommend (Oshi), as well as they age and gender. This is not a demographic study of any particular fandoms but a more broad study across a general population, it also only looks at fans who recommend (Oshi) rather than all fans, so it's accuracy for individual fandom demographics is hard to know. For this reason, I don't think this study should be used as demographic data for any of the fandoms mentioned. NyanKatGrrrl (talk) 15:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)