Talk:Trịnh lords

Hán tự
Need citation for 主鄭 (i.e., was this the way this group of rulers was written in Sino-Vietnamese characters)? Badagnani (talk) 18:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

It seems to be the right set of characters for Chúa Trịnh, according to the characters given by the Nom Foundation's database. Badagnani (talk) 18:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The word "Chúa" is a possible reading of the character 主. However, the term 主鄭 doesn't follow Chinese syntax and probably wouldn't be used in an official context. 鄭主 seems more likely. DHN (talk) 18:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears in Vietnamese texts. Adding this picture for reference to the usage of 主鄭.
 * ChuáTrịnh主鄭.png
 * Lachy70 (talk) 03:51, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

The instances I found seem to be on "unofficial" websites like discussion forums. One would think there would be a construction like 鄭主 in the old sources, but a Google search doesn't give such a name as conclusively as it does for the other, more "normal" dynasties. Badagnani (talk) 18:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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This article needs a significant rewrite
I already rewrote the end of the Trịnh part to be more historically accurate, but man, this article is bad with many inaccuracies. However what prevents me from rewriting it is that there are very few English realiable sources regarding the Trịnh lords (and even then, some of them are quite incorrect as English-language research on Vietnamese history pre Nguyễn dynasty is still in its infancy), so I will have to relies almost exclusively on Vietnamese sources.

Edit: Now that I examine it, this current article barely has any source to begin with. So I'll rewrite it with Vietnamese sources. --KomradeRice (talk) 17:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Seal
I know that the Tĩnh Đô vương tỷ (靖都王璽) was the seal of Lord Trịnh Sâm but it wasn't the Heirloom Seal of the Trịnh as the title of Tĩnh Đô vương (靖都王) was the exclusive title of Lord Trịnh Sâm. This is the reason why I didn't add that seal to the infobox as it's highly likely that every other Lord also had his own personal seal like this. I have read about the Trịnh having an Heirloom Seal while researching the Nguyễn Lords one, but I haven't been able to actually locate an image or even an inscription of it. I am sure that a print of this seal is "hiding" somewhere on documents, but I wouldn't advise using the personal seal of a single lord in the infobox of this entire period. --Donald Trung (talk) 21:16, 5 September 2021 (UTC)