Talk:Transformers: Cybertron

The Continuity is secure
The idea that Cybertron is not part of the Unicron Trilogy is a false fan idea that stems from the ignorant fanbase not wanting a relatively well animated show to be linked to two shows that they disliked, although kids enjoyed them. Transformers belongs to Hasbro, not the fans. If Hasbro said Optimus Prime evolved from a three-eyed insect on a foreign planet and was raised by elves, then he was...It is THEIR PROPERTY. If Hasbro says Cybertron is the third part of the Unicron Trilogy that sums up the story with a reality-shattering chaotic event, then it is. It's not up to the fans to decide, because they don't legally own this franchise, Hasbro does. Cybertron is the third part of the continuity and it takes place in a universe where history is unravelling at a rapid rate because of a black hole destroying time and space. What is so hard to understand about this?

And the issue with Planet X is incorrect in Galaxy Force. Most of it's information was just absent due to post-editing. Planet X is the codename for Unicron's agents, but it was once the name of Sideways' homeworld from ages before the trilogy began. Once again, what's so hard to understand about this? I'm tired of fans feeling they are entitled to say what can and cannot be allowed in an official canonical story. It is not up to you.

This is an incredibly poor article
First of all the "Transformers: Cybertron" entry is a split-up essay on the continuity of this and the last two Japanese/American Transformers cartoons. It resembles a useful entry because there is an episode summary in the middle but for the most part it is just a poor essay. It is just a poor essay because the entire basis is a mistaken presupposition, an incorrect idea, that this cartoon shares the same continuity of the prior two series or follows that continuity.

Secondly this entry would serve more if it recorded/presented details on the apropriate toyline as well as the cartoon.

Thirdly, the intentions of whatever corporate parties regarding the links between this franchise and that of past Transformers properties are irrelevent compared to the final product. There's a heavy basis in this article built strictly upon what perhaps this should have been without a proper focus on what we have instead. When it comes to the cartoon the other two cartoons are irrelevent. Transformers: Cybertron has as much to do with any previous Transformers as the modern Battlestar Galactica has to do with the seventies series. There's a lot of material in this bloody entry that has jack shite to do with the relevent topic.

I also find it wierd and somewhat indicative of the writer's interest based on the notion that the show is accurate and the toys' writings are "inaccurate" to the cartoon's continuity. It's somewhat sad, really. Having read the stuff on the toy packaging I'd bet that the toy line really does come off of the backstory of the previous two toylines but the cartoons are a seperate animal. The important thing to note that the largest of the reasons for the cartoons' existence is to be a 20-minute advertisement for the toys, like it or not.

To descend into nerdity myself it has been apparent for some time that the canon that the toys' data cards represent is entirely from that of the cartoons and has always been that way. Similarities and parallels are only supposed to exist for characterization but otherwise are coincidental. So there is no mutual continuity for there to be a continuity conflict. There is no shared continuity between Transformers: Energon and Transformers: Cybertron so there is no continuity conflict there.

This entire article has a strange choice of emphasis.

I could of course, write a better one, except for two things. Item the first, my knowledge of the series is inferior. Item the second, I wouldn't write or re-write an entire wiki simply because that's a lot of work for absolutely minimal pay-off and we all know it. bluespider

That was a very negative post that could have been worded in a much kinder and more effective fasion. For the record, had you said there was no connection between Superlink and Galaxy Force, you may have had a point. Hasbro has been adamant that Cybertron is a continuation of Energon. To claim you know the focus of this article when your knowledge of the subject is lacking is also questionable. The "pay-off" of writing a better wiki, lastly, is to have it written. I have read the article and noticed some issues, but am working on how to make it better, rather than flaunting my ability to "write a better one," and then walking away. If you, or anyone else, have specific points of error you would like to single out, please do so; but do not come by and simply insult something that many people have put thier time and effor into.--Orion Minor 11:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I have March Break off, and though admittedly I've only seen everything from the first episode to Critical (episode 27) in English, and everything past City in the Japanese subs made available, I would have time to rewrite this, and may be the only one willing to, by the looks of it. I just wouldn't know how to go about it-- doing it as a 52 episode synopsis is very ridiculous, and it might be better off as character descriptions or something. If I can do something without getting yelled at with something along those lines, I'm thinking it'd be much better off as an article. --ArrEmmDee 20:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Continuity
I recommend you guys talk to someone(like me) who has access to the fan club comics. The comics make efforts to explain the continuity errors. They are official canon, and anything else is fan opinion. Cybertron is a continuation of Transformers Energon. Vector Prime states that time shifting and unravelling is getting worse, causing history changes that lead to memory loss and memory problems. The ending of Energon, sealing Unicron in a star, is what caused the black hole. Ramjet cites this as the reason that Primus is a poor God and uses it against Vector Prime, emotionally.

Oh, and in the final episode of Cybertron, the armada kids and Kicker, now 10 years older than their last appearance show up with the other humans in the crowd to wave off the Cybertronian ships. Kicker specifically looks very cool.
 * I just watched the final episode of Cybertron and this does indeed happen. The Armada kids (who now in their thirties due to the two ten year gaps) are shown with the parts of Preceptor behind them, while Kicker (who is in his twenties and does, in fact, look cool), in a different shot, is shown with the image of Energon Hot Shot in the background. They are not tucked into the crowd in an Easter egg fashion. I grabbed two screenshots of them. In my opinion, this solidifies Cybertron in the "Unicron Trilogy." Finally, when Primus awakens, he makes direct references to the destruction of Unicron.
 * The following should be a link to the images, I have yet to learn about uploading images (and the bars at the top and bottom of the screen need to be removed) so I'll leave that to a more wiki-conscious Cybertron fan.
 * http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/OrionMinor/Kicker.jpg
 * http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d100/OrionMinor/ArmadaKids.jpg
 * --Orion Minor 23:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
There really isn't anything in this section that needs its own article. Oh, and please only use m for minor edits, rolling back changes is not minor. ^_^ - brenneman (t) (c)  02:12, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

This is disputable and all, but I thought that the fourth Transformer that Primus showed was Grimlock, not Jazz. I think this makes a little more sense because then we have an Earth bound Transformer (G1 Optimus), a Speed Planet bound Transformer (G1 Hot Rod/Rodimus), a Giant Planet bound Transformer (G1 Ultra Magnus), and a Beast Planet bound Transformer (G1 Grimlock). That's just the way I've always seen it, being that their forms fit the planets a little bit better.--TriPredRavage 20:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

holy fucking shit
this article is huge


 * Yeah? See the Witwicky family article!  Wikipedia:  A New Dimension of Transformers Trivia!  oneismany


 * Both are huge but their both as big as the Transformers Armada article...Aelita the Angel


 * It was 90 kilobytes at the time of the comment. I trimmed it down. '  09:01, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't the cast lists be combined into one cast list? UltimateNagash 18:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Continuity? In Transformers?
The notion that a lack of continutity in the Transformers universe should attract criticism is itself laughable. Even in G1 the episodes were more a pastiche of repeated character-relations than stories per se. Further elaborations of Transformers concepts and histories, in the movie and succeeding series, only counterpoint the fact that the stories are made up to serve the toy lines. oneismany 10:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

That said, some episodes are really fantastic illustrations of make-believe based on action figures, especially the 1986 movie. But they are really no more than adult interpretations of children's games of pretend, so the connections between one episode, or well, movie, and another are no more necessary than the connection between one episode of child's play and another. The need for an overriding continuity is merely insisted by the TV format the Transformers are presented in. oneismany 10:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

The good episodes can be conceived as stand-alone references to the other material, with no need of chronologial order. Take for example the feature film, arguably the best episode of any Transformers series, in all its inconsistent cartoonish glory. The story begins with Laserbeak discovering the Autobot moonbase, leading to the defeat of Optimus Prime. Perhaps this is what really happened, or, perhaps the movie chronicles events that exist entirely in Laserbeak's imagination. It works either way, and as far as other episodes or series go, The Transformers: The Movie could equally be subtitled "Laserbeak's Dream." oneismany 10:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree that some fans place to much weight on continuity. There is, however, an emotional investment that can pay off from knowing characters for a long period of time. The best example I can give in this continuity is Transformers: Energon's Demolisher. Rather than simply being told that he had been with the Decepticons, viewers could see in Armada how happy he was and compare that to his current status. Cybertron is also a show that lacks many major character developments. Viewing the shows together adds another layer of depth to characters that could be percieved as being shallow. Also, due to the serial format of Cybertron, continuity is a bit more important.--Orion Minor 13:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Move the Episodes
The amount of information in the episode section warrants its own article. Most other show articles do this. It would also help by getting rid of that massive index at the top of the page. Then, where's the episode list? (Izaak 11:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC))

Merged articles
Cyber Planet Key has been merged into the Transformers: Cybertron article. As suggested some time ago. The Cyber Palnet Key article wasn't even properly sourced, anyway. NotARealWord (talk) 03:40, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

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