Talk:Transition from Ming to Qing

Wrong map
It seems odd to use a map of the Qing Dynasty as it existed in 1820 to illustrate an topic that occurred in the seventeenth century. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:06, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that the 1820 map seems out of place. Can someone find (or even better, make) a good map of the Qing in 1683 or a map that shows when each province of China was conquered by the Qing? Madalibi (talk) 01:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also the map itself has quality problems as flagged on its talk page. Conflatuman (talk) 06:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Sichuan Ming loyalists and Mongol commander Shibulai
http://books.google.com/books?id=8nXLwSG2O8AC&pg=PA828#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=8nXLwSG2O8AC&pg=PA1307&dq=shibulai&hl=en&sa=X&ei=G5jYU4PAKargsASvpICQDg&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=shibulai&f=false

Russian-Manchu military clashes
Why does the article not mention the Russian-Manchu military clashes? After all, while the Manchus conquered China from the north, Russian Cossacks could well seize part of the northern territories and Mongolia. At that time, the conquest of Siberia was in full swing.--Modun (talk) 02:55, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Ming remanants
Wu sangui is considered to be a feudal lord AFTER the invasion so we should have Wu sangui shang kexi etc to be listed under the ming defector tab. There were infighting within the southern ming dynasty and tiandihui gurrilea-like partisans attacking Qing forces.The infighting of the southern ming dynasty and the tiandihui should be added to the article Laney145 (talk) 10:36, 18 June 2022 (UTC)