Talk:Transportation in South Florida

Gallery
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Christensen (talk • contribs) 14:12, October 30, 2011‎

Needed
A picture of the transit village buildings at 701 NW 1st Court because it is the home of Dade Transit itself, is new, is located at the Overtown Metrorail station, yet still has an awkwardly large and sprawling parking garage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Christensen (talk • contribs) 16:05, October 31, 2011

Move
To Transportation in Miami, South Florida, because the scope is beyond just Dade County, let alone just the city. Daniel Christensen (talk) 14:21, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Since you are the only contributor, you know best. You have to decide whether the extent covers Transportation in Miami, Transportation in Miami-Dade County or probably Transportation in South Florida. Not "Transportation in Miami, South Florida" because that still just means Miami. Martin Morin (talk) 15:45, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Overview / History
An overview section should be added at the top to sum up points and give a sort of "straight dope". Additionally, in at least one place it should go into more depth what it mentions in the lead, which is that one problem with pubic transit expansions is the high cost of procuring the private right of way in which to build it. The county got a relatively low price acquiring about half of the original Metrorail right-of-way from the previous railroad. Additionally, the rest of the guideways including the new AirportLink awkwardly meander over existing roadways, which is not always feasible due to space and engineering constraints (high in Florida where most infrastructure is as basic and whitewashed as possible). Let alone the difficulty of premium below grade transit anywhere in the three counties due to soft ground and elevation that rarely surpasses 10 ft. B137 (talk) 07:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

A history section could/should also be added as well as the region was practically built around Henry Flagler's railroad, and the way the land is tracted out in fairly uniform blocks is historical, as well as the boom and bust nature of things. The extensive electric catenary streetcar/interurban system Miami had is almost lost in time. It has surprisingly little coverage anywhere, let alone on the project. History should go at the end if anything to fill in background for the in depth reader. Overview idea should probably be scrapped.

To do
Update Metrorail section. Expand stuff related to other two counties i.e. FTL airport connections. AFAIK: Unify ref syntax. Dab "miami/greater miami/miami dade/region/area etc", impact fees. UDB and its controversial "updates" should be added to the politics section. Could also mention high number of Tri-Rail "accidents" ins. fraud. Vaguely heard this mentioned once, cannot find, it's robably not true as this would be borderline domestic terrorism. Should be a Geography section dealing with hurricanes, weak bedrock; Not really that weak, New York just abnormally strong. UDB etc. Florida political map full PDF

What do you think of the prose overall; I'm assuming you've read the article as you've now helped with it more significantly. B137 (talk) 04:42, 5 December 2014 (UTC)


 * BTW that most recent CBS 4 ref was found in a free paper circulated by them, I looked for it online to find a date. See: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7500/15949254602_3405a627c9_b.jpg B137 (talk) 04:54, 5 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I haven't re-read the prose in a while. I might get to that some day, but my interests aren't in the prose at the moment. Rather I've been interested in your sourcing. As for that reference, you linked to the online version of the article hosted on their website, so it should be cited as such. That is the first time I've ever seen a TV station actually print a publication like that, but unless they named their website CBS4 Newspaper, a citation to the online version shouldn't be using that publication name. Some TV stations have given their websites with a distinctive name. WLUC-TV has Upper Michigan's Source and WPBM-TV/WTOM-TV has Up North Live, but in most cases their websites just repeat the station's call letters (the standard method for citing TV stations), or some form of branding like "CBS4", which isn't a website name and I would consider like a slogan unfit for inclusion as a citation.


 * Just a side note: this edit didn't, and couldn't ping me. You have to insert the ping and a signature in the same edit. All ping does is insert a link to an editor's user page prefaced with "@", and the analogous ul will do the same without the "@". (The ping template can actually link multiple user names in a single string as well.) If the server sees you enter a new link to a user's page in the same edit where you sign the comments, it will issue the ping through the notification system. If the two things aren't in the same edit, it ignores it. That's intentional so that moving talk page threads to an archive, or reshuffling the order around will not give out a ping.  Imzadi 1979  →   07:33, 5 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes it is interesting. I have never seen this paper before. I found it in the free publication rack at the supermarket. To say the least, I would compare it to the Miami New Times, the cover was a bit sensationalist. However, it uses "real" articles but note that the copy is for December 2014, but the article I referenced was dated online as October 2014. I'm guessing they just circulate old stories for free through this paper.


 * Yeah I somehow had a feeling that ping did not work, but assume you are watching this page. In case it was only coincidence, I have added a ping to this post.


 * As for a full citation for the 1984 expansion study, I have done searches and cannot find much information on this source, though it is a large, technical, and professional publication. I did find it referenced in this PDF of a newer study on page 10 about 2/3 of the way down the page: http://miamidadempo.org/library/studies/transit-corridors-transitional-analysis-identification-collection-and-review-of-previous-work-1992-07.pdf Even the library catalog does not give OCLC, it is in a special area of Government Publications is the best it can offer, after location publisher is given as "The Division"


 * This study (the one linked) brings up another pretty big point that I already had a feeling was inaccurate; it states that the Metromover opened in 1989, not 1986. In spoken dialog I believe I have heard the year 1988 mentioned as well for an opening date. B137 (talk) 17:49, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Reference procurement

 * http://www.miamitodaynews.com/2015/01/07/traffic-tangles-office-market/ this is an excellent source for fairly low level information that is intuitive widely known but often hard to source. It was used to cite a simple line added to the article in the "Traffic" section. More could be done with it as it touches not only traffic but the market in general and transit in relation to traffic. B137 (talk) 17:56, 4 February 2015 (UTC)


 * http://www.thenextmiami.com/index.php/despite-lack-of-land-miamis-population-growth-ranked-eighth-last-year/ This ref could cautiously be added to support the medium density statement. It is technically a blog, but a little more professional than many. It sites sources. There is plenty of source material to suggest Miami is not "urban," yet the population figures for the given area suggest it is not all retirement communities. This also mentions the land squeeze. B137 (talk) 05:40, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * http://www.census.gov/prod/1/gen/pio/cay961a2.pdf this pins down one last statistic or fact that it has been hard to say, and that is the percentage of people using public transport in the city or the area. This is hard than simply taking transit numbers comparing it to the population because some people are visitors. anyway it puts the number at 12.9% where the article states 14 or 15: however this number is from 1990 and ridership has gone up a bit more especially by percentage than the population has. B137 (talk) 06:08, 29 March 2015 (UTC)


 * At least the 4% statistic now has a more solid basis; Cape Coral-Fort Myers has longest commute in Florida this article states SF tying Gainesville, there is just a small chance it is a circular reference, though that is doubted since this is a highly statistical article using clear sources. I believe in one of the reviews the 4 and 17 percent statistics were specifically mentioned as lacking a source as well as a mention later in the article. B137 (talk) 22:23, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Dec 2015
from web lost but found:
 * url=http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/the-siege-of-miami |title=The Siege of Miami |author=Elizabeth Kolbert| date=December 21, 2015 |work=New Yorker |accessdate=December 15, 2015 aka Miami is Flooding |quote1=Of all the world’s cities, Miami ranks second in terms of assets vulnerable to rising seas quote2=Talking about climate change in the Everglades this past Earth Day, President Obama said, “Nowhere is it going to have a bigger impact than here in South Florida.” |quote3=Researchers at Florida Atlantic University have found that with just six more inches of sea-level rise the district will lose almost half its flood-control capacity. Meanwhile, what’s known as the saltwater front is advancing. One city—Hallandale Beach, just north of Miami—has already had to close most of its drinking wells, because the water is too salty. Many other cities are worried that they will have to do the same.

16% 90 minutes
 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/22/10-cities-where-americans-cant-get-to-work_n_933277.html |title=10 Cities Where Americans Can't Get To Work: 24/7 Wall St. |last=Stockdale |first=Charles B. |work=Huffington Post| date=October 22, 2011 |accessdate=December 15, 2015 16% public transport 90 minutes |quote=Miami, for instance, has the 8th best public transportation coverage in the nation, yet one of the lowest rates of job access.


 * https://orgsync.com/67742/opportunities/921724/occurrences/1992929 |title=Can't go, UM database



from tab


 * url=http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060016090 |title=Miami Beach 'rising' to challenge of encroaching seas |work=ClimateWire |publisher=E&E Publishing |first=Manon |last=Verchot |date=April 1, 2015 |accessdate=December 15, 2015 |quote= ...the city may raise roads and sidewalks by 1.5 to 2 feet along the west side that faces the Biscayne Bay.


 * url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/11/miami-drowning-climate-change-deniers-sea-levels-rising |title=Miami, the great world city, is drowning while the powers that be look away |work=The Guardian |date=July 11, 2014 |first=Robin |last=McKie |location=Miami |accessdate=December 15, 2015|quote=Low-lying south Florida, at the front line of climate change in the US, will be swallowed as sea levels rise. |quote=Thus one of the great cities of the world faces obliteration in the coming decades. "It is over for south Florida. It is as simple as that.

No church in the wild
What's so interesting about writing about a subject like this, and further trying to make it comprehensive, up to date as well as futureproof, is that it's literally the modern day wild west, growing and changing so fast, with nothing set in stone and no certainty of what the future holds. When a project is "cancelled" it usually just means it's paused for a few years. A term I came up with for places like Miami, Sunny Isles Beach, North Bay Village, etc is accidentally urban. They are/were literally the posterchildren of suburbia and a closed-in lifestyle, with Sunny Isles Beach having many fortress-like high security towers, many literally filled with high level literally Russian (Little Moscow not just a nickname) figures who look for security, privacy, and a place to invest. But it went so far with the massive towers which, despite their luxury, were inevitably a form a dense development regardless of whether that was the intent, and now you see "Florida's Riviera" with bustling streets and sidewalks, as well as some unfortunate events like that kid who got hit skateboarding in the driveway of his condo. Some of these places now have population densities well over 20,000 per sq mi (over a small area). Yesterday I was adding refs about how the westbound tolls on two expressways had not been implemented though I knew they have been working on it; today the news breaks that not are they opening at midnight, there will be no way to evade them like thousands do on the eastbound tolls, exiting at 27th Avenue. My 2¢ B137 (talk) 04:34, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Supplemental bibliography
Sources that may be added to the article for supplemental reading.




 * from this one:

page 54: Dade county located over highly permeable limestone, tunneling difficult to unfeasible. Criteria for evaluation including Short turning ability to weave buildings, roads.

^by Simpson & Curtin Transportation Engineers "prepared for" DCDofT&T. Unclear if S&C or Dade County published it, limited copies printed. No apparent ISBN for these studies.


 * Zany February 1969 report (http://miamidadempo.org/library/plans/1985-proposed-transportation-master-plan-summary-1969-02.pdf) "prepared by" Dade County for the MUATS study, basically talks about more far fetched plans such as "computer controlled highways by 1975", than the Simpson & Curtin report from a month earlier.

Environmental Impact Studies from 1978, not sure if contact should be listed as editor/author and if the entire title should be used or both publishers listed:





Wealth of new books found at FIU:


Note: very light duty; not technical





HistoryMiami
Draft milestone 8 report final system plan. Kaiser engineers. June 1975.

49 Coral gables against. Page 11-16
 * Basically to no one's surprise Coral Gables spoke out against the project saying it would not be helpful to urban issues. Sentiment continues to this day despite popular street trolley that connects to the rail, which they tout as removing traffic and easing parking. They are against a sensible, bite-sized expansion of Metrorail from the physical track terminus pointing south at MIA down Douglas Road to the current line. It would have to be buried for there to even be a chance. B137 (talk) 22:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Feedback
I saw this in the Good Articles nominations and decided to have a look. I'll admit that I only skimmed through the article and didn't read all of the prose, but in my opinion this article needs some work before it can be a good article. I've fixed a couple issues with the "Further"/"Main article" templates, but refrained from placing some cleanup templates so that I don't kill the GAN.

Here's a few issues I see:


 * Article length — The article is now at 73kb "readable prose size". Per Article size, articles over 60kb "Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material)". In this case, I don't think the topic justifies the added length as it is possible to split out an article or two from this article. In my opinion, Public transportation in South Florida should be created to provide an overview of the systems and history (including future) of public transport in the region.
 * I see a lot of statements that aren't really necessary in this article or sections which could be worded more concisely. Examples:
 * "All Palm Tran buses have bicycle racks on the front, capable of holding two bikes." (in the Palm Tran section)
 * "The elongated and sprawled layout of the South Florida metropolitan area complicates the process of designing practical mass transit systems that serve the entire region, in contrast to more overall circular metros such as Boston and Washington, D.C., which use traditional radii spurs extending from a central location for their public transit and highway systems. The latter often use outer loops, such as the Capital Beltway, known as the spoke-hub distribution paradigm." (I think the part in italics is unnecessary and should be more general example like "in contrast to more circular shaped metro areas where a hub-and-spoke system can efficiently route passengers to their destination.")
 * "Additionally, many motorists are acquitted or receive minor punishments for crimes such as DUI vehicular manslaughter and other reckless driving incidents." (Walkability section...this is something common in the US but this seems like WP:Original research...the source only lists a couple cases of at-fault drivers being acquited...it's quite a stretch to use that article to support this claim)
 * "Many were disappointed in Scott's vehement denial of the money. 26 Florida senators from both political parties signed a letter to United States Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood encouraging him to ignore Scott's decision, and even former governor Jeb Bush, who was against the previous high-speed rail proposal, was surprised by Scott's actions." (Florida high-speed rail section...to be honest, I'm one of the people very unhappy with that move, but these quoted sentences aren't necessary and aren't really written in a neutral tone...the paragraph should just go from the preceding statement to the ending "The money was ultimately directed to other states and the plan killed.")


 * Unsourced content — There are some sections that are unsourced. I realize that these are summaries and that the content is sourced in the linked articles, but it still needs a source on this article. In addition to the several sections listed below, there are many unsourced statements and I see many paragraphs where the first half is sourced but the latter half isn't. That makes me wonder whether content in parts of paragraphs that just have a source at the end are actually verified by those sources. These sections are completely or largely unsourced:
 * Causeways
 * Miami International Airport (including the "Surface transportation infrastructure")
 * PortMiami
 * Port Everglades
 * Stations (subsection of Metromover)
 * Broward County Transit
 * Examples of unsourced claims or controversial statements that need a source:
 * "With the appropriate bus transfers, one can travel all the way from Key West to Jupiter entirely on public-transit buses." (Metrobus section)
 * "City planners and residents alike have commented that rather than dismantling the former Florida East Coast Railroad line for the busway, the Metrorail system could have been extended southward over the railway line." (Busway vs. rail controversy section)

Hopefully, this is valuable feedback. I really didn't come to this article or even start to write this section to completely tear the article apart, but this article needs some work before it's a good article. As mentioned in the beginning, I didn't put any cleanup templates on the article so as not to derail the GAN, but hopefully this feedback can be used to improve the article to that status. AHeneen (talk) 05:33, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Omissions — A couple of omissions I see:
 * The air transportation section leaves out general aviation. Kendall-Tamiami Executive Airport (now known as Miami Executive Airport) and Opa-Locka Executive Airport are mentioned, but there are several other smaller airports in the South Florida area.
 * The history section doesn't really discuss highways. Some information on how the expansion of highways in the region has affected its growth/urban sprawl would be useful. A mention/paragraph about how the Miami area became the major cruising hub and the major gateway to the Caribbean and Latin America would also be useful.
 * The Bicycling, Walking, & Transit Oriented Development sections are all about Miami. What about the rest of the South Florida area, is there anything to say about Broward or Palm Beach County communities?


 * Thank you for your input. Yes that bit about travelling by bus from Key West to Jupiter was definitely copied out of a source article, not something I added; it is also WP:SYNTH. I can assure you that as bad as public transit is in Florida, interplanetary transit is even worse :P. As for article length, wow this monster comes rearing its head again. I thought that was a mostly outdated standard. I remember when it used to be something like 100 kB total size, I guess due to the bias of heaving coding on some pages it's been modified to refer to prose size only. Still, I thought it was more of a guideline than anything. Some articles, whether considered "good" or not, definitely should not be that long. For example, a book-length article could be written on "Dog" given the vast amount of publication on that subject, but it would be inappropriate. But this type of article is almost a marriage between a list and a prose article that necessitates inclusion of much detail as a list, but detail given as prose, which inherently gets lengthy.


 * Omissions: More can easily be added; as for the smaller airports, not much more than a mention should be added I would say, as there is not much that makes the ones in the area unique that I know of. As far as a heavy leaning to miami/dade county, that is going to happen naturally as the other counties are not very unique from any other place in Florida (though good luck finding a good source to state this); standard, wide roads with moderate traffic, bike lanes added on arterials not out of need but rather due to surplus tarmac, modern but standard intersections with well-engineered and timed lights based on real life and real time conditions. I-595 is somewhat notable due to the reverse toll lanes, more could be added about that. As far as source omissions I see that yes three sections are totally unsourced, that can be fixed, but they will likely be broad and basic as the info in those sections is broad and basic, such as a source to BCT on the BCT section to show at least that they exist because that's about all the sections state.


 * Some of the remaining weasel wording can be fixed; if you don't mind I like what you wrote related to the spoke-and-hub bit, if I could just add that. I understand being neutral, but the topic in many ways isn't. Sadly, it is very much a political pundit for better or for worse. B137 (talk) 14:50, 20 January 2015 (UTC)


 * An book-length article can be written about this subject too. Article size is a guideline that should be followed. This article should be long, but some content can be split into separate articles, using Summary style. As mentioned, I think Public transportation in South Florida would be a good section to split, leaving a short overview in this article. That said, I've been working on an article (almost ready for a GAN) where I've been defending the length of the article (currently at 56 kB "readable prose size") when other editors have complained about its length because it is comprehensive. However, not all the information about the topic is contained in one article, and some of the content has been split into separate articles. If that wasn't done the article would probably be about 100kB readable prose size.
 * About omissions, the scope of the article is about transportation in South Florida. It does not matter if something is "unique" or not. General aviation is moderately important and those airports should be listed, they don't need to be unique. Yes, Miami-Dade County will fill most of the article, but again, the scope of the article is transportation in South Florida. Broward and Palm Beach Counties need to have content even if they aren't unique or different from other parts of Florida. Examples of content that should be added:
 * Amtrak stationsin Hollywood, Ft. Lauderdale, Deerfield Beach, Delray Beach, & West Palm Beach.
 * Taxis and carsharing in the other counties.
 * Yes, many subjects are political. Just be sure that statements are sourced.AHeneen (talk) 21:18, 20 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I will address all these issues. I'm not too keen on the article split, but am warming up to it. I agree with your proposed method of splitting if it should be done. B137 (talk) 03:32, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Some additional feedback: the second paragraph of the lead discusses how this is "one of the most densely populated urban areas in the United States"; the next paragraph says it is "one of the most sprawled out and automobile dependent metropolitan areas in the United States". Which one is it? Barryjjoyce (talk) 05:38, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually it's a strange phenomenon that is a bit hard to explain and may come off as some kind of original research, but the way I would really sum it up is to say that it is all around "medium density", lacking the character many northeastern cities have where there is a defined urban core and perhaps some other urban clusters, but then very low density, single house with a decent sized yard type thing. In Florida, due to high land value and many developments being a large and thorough operation, you get what could be described as endless suburbs but to be honest they are fairly dense as far as suburbs are concerned. Go ahead and look at any street view in the area, especially to the west in the master planned neighborhoods around Doral and you'll see that all the houses are large, square, and taking up most of their plot. Compare this to a street view outside the urban core of Rochester, Savannah (which is even southern), Atlanta (also southern), even Boston. Staten Island is a good comparison of Miami suburbs. In many other metros You get cul-de-sac developments but with literal woodlots between them. I've especially noticed this from the air approaching Atlanta airport. But don't take it from me, take it from the density stats of any Miami fringe such as Doral, Hialeah, Sweetwater, etc etc. Look at Broward districts as well. Even the (fairly large for an unincorporated suburb jurisdiction) 16 sq mile cliched fringe suburb of Kendall, Florida (don't let lead picture of Dadeland fool you), has about the same density as the (fairly compact for an anchor city) 35 sq mile city proper of Rochester, New York. B137 (talk) 05:54, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * At the end of the day what this amounts to is that the packed in endless suburbs of southern Florida, which also, in addition to having almost all area inside the urban boundary cleared and developed, are known for having little parkland, beat out other metros with more defined planning. B137 (talk) 06:30, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I realize that I sort of shot my own argument in the foot by including Doral, as that is one of the areas which is very much like outlying Atlanta, but I will further by saying that "sprawled out" and "dense" are not necessarily in an inverse relationship. New York is very sprawled out, it has very long commute times for all modes of transport and covers over 300 miles squared, but it is also the American poster child of urban density. Density should almost be relative. Downtowns of many very small towns, villages, and cites in the US, especially older ones with many shoulder to shoulder brick buildings, etc. are considered quite dense and walkable for example, even though by the numbers they may be less dense than many areas considered hopeless suburbs like Kendall. A larger city or urban area needs more density to be considered urban than a smaller one. Also are factors like efficiency. A large city might have a huge building but the elevator commute alone would be longer than my commute to the neighboring store if I lived above the bar in small town, USA. I believe this is why many stats try to exclude smaller municipalities, for example "highest bike commuting among cities with population over 100,000." B137 (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Percent public transport usage
The 17% figure for Miami is old and dubious, the 4% figure checks out for MDT, BCT, and PT ridership, and downtown is easy to get a minimum figure for by taking MM direct boardings and dividing by not quite two then using stats for other mode lines that service downtown, but COMiami is hard to figure. Even county would be easier using just MDT figures and subtracting a little for 95 express and broward x-fers, but remember to factor Miami Trolley ridership. Interestingly, factoring just the stations of MM and MR that exist with COM limits, it comes close to that number, but then should be much high for all the bus and recently trolley ridership. B137 (talk) 07:57, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Useful links

 * Miami live traffic on Google Maps (desktop)

Reference quotes
Something I'm seeing more and more of is quotes added directly into the ghost boxes that pop up when you hover over a footnote number. It's possibly that the daunting task of securely archiving all the online references here may be necessary. Maybe it would be easier and more beneficial to just add the significant quotes from some sources, at least for now.

"...Alex Penelas was pushing a plan to raise funds for a $16 billion public transportation expansion with a penny-on-the-dollar sales tax." - Bet on Norman Braman. MNT note:$16 billion

B137 (talk) 01:57, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

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Seasonal variations
Being a nearly tropical (almost officially tropical given recent trends) location in the continental US, SFL/FL is known for having the "tourist season" in the winter, the opposite of many states and cities, which includes snowbirds, part time residents. For Metromover, Metrobus (Miami-Dade County), and Metrorail (Miami-Dade County), the busiest passenger months are generally November, February, March, and October. Traffic dips by April, and December, the other two winter season months. January is a strange outlier, being at the "bottom of the top", and October is technically not quite the winter season (Nov to April). This is noticeable on Google Traffic and other traffic reports. Traffic is markedly less in the summer and even seems to be a bit lower in December as well. Of course a whole week in December classified as regular weekdays is lost to the Christmas and holiday season. B137 (talk) 00:23, 11 January 2017 (UTC)


 * During the peak season, rush hour may extend from 3 to 8 pm, and start at 6 am in south Dade on the Turnpike. Massive widening projects are underway all around, except on I-95 which is 10 years stagnant in Dade and the new express "lane[s]" project in Broward did not bring the road to 12 lanes. Still four thru and one express, vs two express like in Dade. I-95 in Dade is about the most congested stretch of highway, and Broward is catching up. Boca Raton is the only regular tight spot in Palm Beach County, where a new interchange with Spanish River Boulevard and possible widening is underway. Half of the Dolphin got better with widening and the new massive Dolphin-Palmetto Interchange. B137 (talk) 21:24, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Bus decline, obscure stats
The major bus decline has now finally been reported on several times, including here ( http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article148954014.html )
 * County bus cost $130/hr vs private trolley operator $50/hr estimate (Transpiration America)
 * County living wage of $14.69 minimum paid to private drivers, county is higher with benefits
 * Want to cut 10% of MB budget which is given as $248 million
 * Route 6 and Route 48 cut entirely: 6 is Brickell to C Grove station, 48 is Brickell to Douglas Road
 * 40, 56, 62, 103, 107, 108, 115.117, 136, 183, and 252 would lose stops; 40, 56, 62, C, G, H, 115, 117, 136, 183, and 252 using letters
 * Much more overlap from free trolleys, such as in cut routes

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