Talk:Travel class

Code Listing
Are all these code listings really necessary? Mat334 06:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes. The code listing is exactly what I was looking for when Google led me to this article. I've been flying a lot recently and trying to figure out what all the goofy codes meant. I'd like it if someone knowledgable could fill in more details for them. Nate 19:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately these code descriptions are not at all accurate. The exact meaning of W/V/S/B etc varies a lot between different airlines, even though there are some conventions like F for first, C for business and Y for economy. For example, for most airlines W is a cheaper fare bucket than V so it's misleading to call W "Premium Economy". The descriptions in this article only applies to one particular airline (not sure which one).

Where is X?

Cattle class is a misnomer. Anyone transporting cattle in conditions as cramped as a typical economy class cabin would be prosecuted for cruelty to animals, and quite rightly so!86.11.124.189 09:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

These codes can be very useful indeed, certain Carriers allow access to the Business Lounge when you have full fare economy tickets, for example BMI (British Midland) will let you use the lounge if you have a class J ticket or above. It's always worth checking what extras you get with such tickets.

Just talk to someone who's in the business, like me. Norum

I have to agree with the comment about the class descriptions being inaccurate and highly dependent on the airline at question; for instance, "R" is being described as Supersonic Transport; on Continental R has been used to indicate First Class upgrade inventory, although it appears it's now being sold as a Discounted First Class fare (with upgrade inventory now coming from "F"). Lincoln. 69.17.11.103 18:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't the section on fare classes be a subsection of planes? It only covers the fare classes of planes and does not touch on trains. 198.30.78.43 20:29, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Remove Booking Classes
I strongly believe that all detailed booking classes should be removed. They are very different from airline to airline. The only two codes that most airlines stick to are F for full fare First Class and Y for full fare Economy Class. For Business Class, most airlines use either C or J. All the other booking classes currently shown are essentially wrong on many airlines. --SmilingBoy 13:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Industry standard definitions for "Reservations Booking Designators" are provided in IATA Resoluion 728. Other contributors have commented accurately that there is broad deviation from the standards by individual airlines. It can even happen that within an airline alliance an RBD is assigned to Economy Class by one airline member and First Class by another. JonathanX9 13:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

the description of what each booking class represents is inaccurate -- in fact, fallacious. they vary by airline, too. It is impossible to provide a complete list. I work for a large OLTA and I can't even provide you a complete list. -- [Anonymous] 20:39, 9 February 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.16.158.144 (talk)
 * I came here to suggest that we remove the codes and found that the discussion had already started. They should all be removed, as I can see widespread inaccuracies in them, and they will never be accurate. Even the old codes such as P being first class are wrong, I know of at least one airline that uses it for economy WITHOUT BAGS. You can't get less first class than that.  Remove them all, and leave just a passing mention of the original F, J, C and Y.  Actually, now that I think about it, Y is the only one with a specific meaning, it is a full economy fare without restrictions. --Dmol (talk) 09:11, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I have rewritten the entire section, and removed all codes. Let's build on this, but we should not restart adding codes or we'll end up back where we started.--Dmol (talk) 23:16, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I have not gone through all the history pages, but it seems the codes are back in (and wrong)? For example, R is listed as a new First Class suite, but it is a discount economy code on the major Dutch and French airlines.  The strong consensus seems to be to remove codes, so that is what I will do now other than a short reference to the basic codes. I will rewrite that section now, to try and reflect the above discussion accurately.  I will also remove the use of Full Fare Economy as a Y, as many discount but unrestricted economy tickets are Y. AccHistories (talk) 08:10, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I've simplified the recent edits. But I'm concerned that the only section in the article about airlines is about the codes used, rather than indicating the differences between the classes better. Things like typical seat pitch, type of food served, and the staff to passenger ratio need to be included.

Disappointing, it's not useful for me any more. I used to frequently visit this page to reference ticket codes, and was always able to access the list. Now it's useless. - AB, Oct 6th 2011

At present the article is almost entirely about trains.--Dmol (talk) 12:01, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree, the article needs to focus on what travel classes are, why they exist, why they differ, relative costs even. Booking codes are a miminal aspect of it, and wikipedia does not exist to list the meaning of airlines codes. GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:23, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Merge with First class travel
This article overlaps with First class travel, and the two articles should be merged. TiffaF (talk) 05:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, no. There are other classes of service to account for.192.12.88.7 (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean the content can't be merged into this article. And I agree. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 22:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Ocean liners?
Ocean liners had classes of service, too, such as steerage, yet we see no mention of them on the page. How come? 192.12.88.7 (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 23:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Buses
In some countries, there are bus lines offering clase lujo, primera clase, and segunda clase service, and I see nothing of those, either. 192.12.88.7 (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * see 192.12.88.7 (talk) 19:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ditto Peru, Argentina, Chile and Malaysia. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 19:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Chinese trains
I don't know if this is still the case, but it used to be that one major difference between 1st and 2nd class seats was that first class was non-smoking while second class was smoking, with many people smoking heavily.Bill (talk) 04:31, 22 November 2020 (UTC)