Talk:Tree climbing

= Commercial external links =

I think that Wikipedia's tree climbing article isn't a "directory" for all the recreational tree climbing companies. Please stop to add external links of your commercial organisation. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.69.62.41 (talk) 10:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

= TCI 'Ad' =

The TCI 'Ad' should be removed from the introduction and to the bottom under a headline 'Treeclimbing Organisations' or something. Peter Jenkins seems to have a large fanbase but he's quite unlikely the only one who had the idea of climbing trees with modern ropes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.110.95.2 (talk) 11:22, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * You're right, TCI 'Ad' can be treated as advertising. —86.69.62.198 (talk) 00:58, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

= Redirect = There is currently a recreational tree climbing article, while tree climbing is a red link. Because there are many things that could be written that would apply equally well to commercial or activist tree climbing as recreational climbing, it seems logical to move this article to tree climbing (leaving a redirect at recreational tree climbing, of course) and then make the current content of this article a mere section of a larger one. Any objections? Anyone else want to be bold and do it before I get around to it? - leif &#9786; (talk) - 22:36, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)


 * Seems sensible to me - MPF - 21:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Makes sense to me, does anyone object? - John.james - 14:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

= Recreational activity origins =

Started by children
Isn't it safe to say that recreational tree climbing was started by children, and not environmentalists? - 165.91.174.179 - 09:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. I just don't believe "Tree climbing as a recreational activity emerged in the early 1980s".  Surely recreation and tree-climbing are way older than that! 82.45.8.208 (talk) 15:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've tried to clarify. Still needs sourcing, though. — Satori Son 15:48, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

First grove
The first tree climbing grove was established in Atlanta, Georgia by Peter "Treeman" Jenkins in 1983 (see "The Founder's Grove" in www.treeclimbing.com ). In France, the first tree climbing organization was created in Annonay, Ardèche, by "Les ACCRO-Branchés" in 1989. - 84.100.185.207 - 09:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Small mistake, in France the first tree climbing organization was created in Paris, Ile-de-France by "Tree Climbing France" in 2005 (www.treeclimbing.fr). Following the meeting of Peter Jenkins with the two "Tree Climbing France" founders at the 2005 Tree Climbing Rendez-vous, in Oregon. In 1989, "Les ACCRO-Branchés" created the first Accrobranche® organization in Annonay, Ardèche, France (see "Historique" in http://www.accrobranche.org ). - 79.89.109.158 - 10:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.81.151.72 (talk)


 * "L'Accrobranche" (trademark) is not the same activity as the "tree climbing"! Ok it's two activities take place in the trees with ropes, but this is not the same history, philosophy, technology, education, vision of the tree, etc. In France these two activities are distinguished: there is a French national organization for "L'Accrobranche" and a French national organization for "tree climbing". If you want more information about it, thank you to contact Yac at TreeClimbing.free.fr). —86.69.62.101 (talk) 07:23, 01 June 2010 (UTC)

Climb trees in Germany
The 14 April 2009 at 15:30, 79.110.95.2 (talk) adds the text below on "Tree climbing history" :


 * Christian Kiel and Phillip Richdale started climbing large trees considered unclimbable with traditional climbing techniques in the early 1980s in northern Germany. They are generally credited for being the first to broadly apply modern climbing equipment, styles and techniques specifically to climb high trees in a non-invasive and non-destructive fashion. Kiel and Richdale were the first to use sophisticated mountaineering and climbing gear such as modern free climbing harnesses, jacket-core climbing ropes, climbing-snaplinks made of zirkal-aluminum-alloy and various types of static climbing and spelunking-ropes and hoops specifically assembled for the purpose of climbing trees such as old beeches, sycamores and other larger leaf trees suited for extended climbing. They developed a ranking system for difficulty levels in tree climbing and a terminology for describing trees from a climbing perspective. They also adopted the habit of naming trees as free climbers commonly name their climbing routes. Their tree climbing style emphasizes leaving wildlife undisturbed (to the extent of avoiding a tree entirely), ascending 'unclimbable' leaftrees, safety-first, a wide variety of knots and rope techniques and non-destructive treetop summiting. They used the English term "tree climbing" to distinguish from its more general sense in the native German word "Baumklettern" and refer to the free climbing and later big wall climbing movement as inspiration for their style of tree climbing.


 * Thank for this information, but can you give citations and references on this discussion page. In the meantime, I have deleted this text because the world tree climbing community consider that Peter Jenkins (with his Atlanta school created in 1983) is the "father" of recreational tree climbing. Moreover I have not found German organization who purpose recreational tree climbing like TC-Japan, TC-USA, TC-France, TC-Canada, TC-Taiwan, etc. —86.69.62.198 (talk) 14:01, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * IIRC they were even featured with fotographs in a Lowe catalog using Lowe backbacks wilst climbing trees. That was around 1986. There are some quotes from Phillip here: http://modern-treeclimbing.blogspot.com/ I think it's fair to mention them, as they did some serious stuff very early on and were also featured in newsreports. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.110.95.2 (talk) 10:18, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

= Techniques & gear origins =

Tree climbing techniques and gear aren't derived from "professional tree climbers (arborists)". Tree climbing gear & techniques are principaly derived from rock climbing and caving. And also used to climb trees by "Arborists climbers". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.195.83.28 (talk) 16:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

The techniques described here don't look anything like the what the tree service guys do that I've seen. They ususally just have a strap around the trunk of the tree and they move the strap up as they ascend. —66.60.137.134 (talk) 18:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * there are a wide variety of techniques in use by professional arborists. Check out arboristsite.com and treebuzz.com for extensive discussion of these techniques. --john.james (talk) 01:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, the main technique used by professional climbers, the so called doubled dynamic rope technique or dDRT, has very little relation to any common rock or cave techniques. In terms of gear, yes they use Carabiner, but that's about it.  Different harness, knots (mostly), and ropes.--john.james (talk) 01:34, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

=Nature of Activity= Does anyone object to me changing the first line to remove the word recreational? It seems to me that we are talking here about all kinds of tree climbing.--john.james (talk) 01:06, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Since the creation of this Tree climbing's article, "recreational" is the common sens of this activity. All around the world, "tree climbing" means a recreational activity like outdoor sport, ecotourism, adventure... You can see all the recreational organizations names like : TC Japan, TC USA, TC France, TC Taiwan, TC Canada, etc.


 * And all around the non-english speaking world, when we talk about "techniques of climbing" for Arborist / Tree surgeon, the correct word is "Arboriculture". The word "tree climbing" is used only for recreational activity.


 * There was no ambiguities before the Treeandgarden revision's, the 11 April 2011 at 13:42.  This person has added spiked climbing techniques (for the first time since the creation of this article).


 * Consequently I propose that this article returns to its original meaning: a recreational activity. And the paragraph on spiked climbing techniques is to be removed.


 * To stop any ambiguity, it might be possible to create a technical pargraph in Arborist's article?
 * What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.192.46.206 (talk) 23:02, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The article focuses mainly on technique. As such I do not see the value in labeling it as the way this or that group does things.  Many arborists do not climb trees at all, and those who do share some techniques with recreational tree climbers and 'climbers' of other types.  To the extent that this article discusses the challenges and common approaches to actually climbing trees I believe it should generalize and talk about all people who climb trees and how they do it.  Otherwise we'll have some text that is duplicated in two places. This duplicate text will diverge and leave readers of each article with a less interesting experience.  Also, there were previously references to spiked climbing as far back as 2007.  --john.james (talk) 01:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * -Also, read "Redirect" section above. This article was moved from Recreational tree climbing in 2005 with the intention of making it recreational / professional neutral.   Perhaps that merge should be undone?--john.james (talk) 01:12, 29 July 2011 (UTC)