Talk:Tuf Voyaging

Does anyone know wha the last line is supposed to mean?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.188.1.237 (talk • contribs) 17:05, August 15, 2006 (UTC)

POV?

Somebody needs to de-POV or at least cite for the "character development" section? I've read this book many times and I would disagree strongly with some of the statements made (especially the statement that Tuf's actions on S'uthlam are a "the lesser of two calamitous evils" - calamitous? Vultur 03:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Someone appears to have gone through and added a bunch of descriptive words to the part I wrote about Tuf's character development. As for his actions being the lesser of two evils, he could have let the S'uthlam have his ship, kill of their neighbors, and eventually spread, possibly out of control. As for "Calamitous", that wasn't me is all I can say.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.197.112.6 (talk • contribs) 18:27, March 1, 2007 (UTC)

No, I was saying that I didn't think Tuf's actions were calamitous - they were the only way out of a trap. 24.167.73.195 22:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Insofar as I've been able to determine, the earlier content of this Wikipedia entry had been generated by someone who sharply disapproved of the protagonist's address of the problems presented by his clients, particularly in his trickster tactical approaches to strategic situations in which strict compliance with client expectations clearly would not result in viable solutions. This is well demonstrated in all but the earliest story ("A Beast for Norn"), where only Tuf's personal aversion to the cruelty of the Bronze Arena is truly served. The earlier writer's dislike for Martin's depiction of Tuf's character (which does not "develop" but is more properly said to be revealed) appears primarily to have been engendered by the S'uthlam stories, all three of which were published in successive issues of Analog in the last quarter of 1985, and which were obviously written in order to provide a frame and expansion sufficient for the fix-up novel scheduled for publication in 1986. Anyone familiar with Analog will understand the attractions to the magazine's readership of stories written around protagonists exemplifying H. Beam Piper's "self-reliant man" (Piper was one of John W. Campbell's favorite writers in the '50s and early '60s). People who are not typical of Analog's readership (and appreciative of the magazine's editorial policies) in the '70s and '80s aren't really representative of the audience for which the Haviland Tuf stories (and Tuf Voyaging) were written, and are therefore liable to substantively misperceiving their qualities as the result of prejudices alien to the work's actual character, intention, and content. I've tried to correct this by approaching the book from an Analog reader's perspective to better describe how and why Martin's efforts in this fix-up novel operate so well that it "...is regarded by many fans as being among Martin's best early work."

Indeed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.140.111 (talk) 07:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

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