Talk:Tulchyn

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I`m sorry, but Tulchyn is not "city". It is so tiny for "city". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.146.140.7 (talk) 11:30, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Is This the same Tulchyn?
I came across this while reading about pogroms in Poland and the Ukraine. It refers to a town with the same name, and in the same region. This seems to be the same town, but I find no mention of this apparently famous event in this article, as it stands. Perhaps this is because the article seems to written from a single Polish source.

Here is the story and a few links:

"Altogether about six thousand Jews perished in the city of Niemirov. Those who escaped death fled to the fortified Podolian town of Tulchyn. Here an even more terrible tragedy was enacted. A large horde of Cossacks and peasants laid siege to the fortress, which contained several hundred Poles and some fifteen hundred Jews. The Poles and Jews took an oath not to betray one another and to defend the city to their last breath. 'l'he Jews, stationed on the walls of the fortress, shot at the besiegers, keeping them off from the city. After a long and unsuccessful siege the Cossacks conceived a treacherous plan. They informed the Poles of Tulchyn that they were aiming solely at the Jews, and, as soon as the latter were delivered into their hands, they would leave the Poles in peace. The Polish pans, headed by Count Chetvertinski, forgot their oath, and decided to sacrifice their Jewish allies to secure their own safety. When the Jews discovered this treacherous intention, they immediately resolved to dispose of the Poles, whom they excelled in numbers. But the Rosh-Yeshibah of Tulchyn, Rabbi Aaron, implored them not to touch the pans, on the ground that such action might draw upon the Jews all over the Empire the hatred of the Polish population. " Let us rather perish," he exclaimed, " as did our brethren in Niemirov, and let us not endanger the lives of our brethren in all the places of their dispersion." The Jews yielded. They turned over all their property to Chetvertinski, asking him to offer it to the Cossacks as a ransom for their lives. After entering the city, the Cossacks first took possession of the property of the Jews, and then drove them together into a garden, where they put up a banner and declared, "Let those who are willing to accept baptism station themselves under this banner, and we will spare their lives." The rabbis exhorted the people to accept martyrdom for the sake of their religion and their people. Not a single Jew was willing to become a traitor, and fifteen hundred victims were murdered in a most barbarous fashion. Nor did the perfidious Poles escape their fate. Another detachment of Cossacks,which entered Tulchyn later, slew all the Catholics, among them Count Chetvertinski." http://www.american-buddha.com/lit.historyjewspolrussia.1.5.htm

"In the early stages of the fighting, a number of Jewish communities were totally destroyed by the Ukrainian forces. Among these were Nemyriv (Pol., Nemirów; 10 June 1648), Tul’chyn (Tulczyn), and Bar." http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Gzeyres_Takh_Vetat

http://books.google.ca/books?id=AgP6fU67RdgC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=Tulchyn+jew&source=bl&ots=879c_tqupB&sig=4iByjFQuH2ZaagJttO99Gu99fig&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Tulchyn%20jew&f=false

http://books.google.ca/books?id=8HinaU9tkosC&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147&dq=Tulchyn+jew&source=bl&ots=dZMK5BvUMy&sig=V0OBytcFb1CkU-StWa196StiGfM&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Tulchyn%20jew&f=false

http://books.google.ca/books?id=1sWk5i07lyEC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=Tulchyn+jew&source=bl&ots=lbc4DXzHO2&sig=dSZUpPSA-0mIqso4ED73M6SowXQ&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Tulchyn%20jew&f=false

http://books.google.ca/books?id=NCzzxNisc1MC&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=Tulchyn+jew&source=bl&ots=gw5HdixQI7&sig=M-7g_9u9wF2JVDiEjABLXHGOqt0&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Tulchyn%20jew&f=false

http://books.google.ca/books?id=vL60sEf7OPoC&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=Tulchyn+jew&source=bl&ots=wm_DCKKTad&sig=_7_lF8CZwLpmsco-JqZMilQSM2k&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Tulchyn%20jew&f=false

This seems to be an important episode in the town's history that most certainly should be added to the article! From the content of the story, we could certainly speculate as to why a Polish source might omit this story, but this is not a consideration relevant to an encyclopedia such as Wikipedia. Heavenlyblue (talk) 00:59, 2 September 2012 (UTC)