Talk:Tunnels in popular culture

Ley Tunnels
The term derives from Alfred Watkins own reference to the legends of improbable tunnels and a recognition that the popular myth may have some deep seated origin in the belief systems of the cultures of pre and post medieval Britain. Rosser (talk) 00:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * But what *is* a Ley tunnel as opposed to any other. Not clear at all in current version of page. 46.208.142.39 (talk) 12:41, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Tunnels rename
Much of this article is about tunnels in popular culture. The suggestion about changing the focus of the article to Tunnels in popular culture, is a good one as it removes the issues of tunnels in the article that don't have much connection to the current topic. Changing the topic involves the least amount of content removal, and has the largest scope for future improvement. IRWolfie- (talk) 09:21, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I started the discussion at the Fringe Theories Noticeboard. I think we should proceed to rename, probably to Tunnels in popular culture, perhaps to Tunnels in folklore. Some of the material might be better placed in Secret passage. The mention of the connection to ley lines can perhaps be kept, referenced to Alfred Watkins. So long as we make it clear that it was only Watkins' surmising; we don't want to say in Wikipedia's voice that ley lines exist. Itsmejudith (talk) 09:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Popular culture sounds like a catch all for modern and folklore, so it has the greater scope for future expansion. I'll proceed with a bold rename. IRWolfie- (talk) 09:27, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The new name would seem to require the inclusion of facts like "The Birkenhead Tunnel was used to film scenes for the film Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 1". I'd favour a merge with Secret passage.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

It is possible that sources deal with secret passages and tunnels together. We would need to check though to make sure we aren't confusing two separate things IRWolfie- (talk) 12:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We might have enough material for an article on Smugglers' tunnels, a topic that everyone has embroidered stories about at least since the 18th century. But most of it could go into Secret passage, assuming there is anything that is well enough sourced and not already in there. Itsmejudith (talk) 13:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Smuggling tunnel already exists. I created a section on Britain and copied in some material. Although I said in the edit summary what I was doing, I may not have met all the requirements for copyright compliance (does my head in). Itsmejudith (talk) 16:14, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The Secret Passages doesn't cover this topic. The point is that these may well not exists and most don't - but people keep on suggesting that they do. The next point is why do folk think they exist. Certainly some of the examples of actual tunnels could be moved, leaving a pure article on the phenomenon that I have described. A close reading of the intro does emphasise the legendary status - the Americans don't seem to have Ley Tunnel legends. Rosser Gruffydd 17:10, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of references to stories about tunnels, although most are in sources like local interest websites. But there are very few that use the term "ley tunnel". Most of the Google hits are to Wikipedia mirrors or sources that obviously reprint Wikipedia information. Mythology and folklore are topics we ought to cover, but only when they are notable. Itsmejudith (talk) 17:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Sweden
For Sweden (citation needed), there are old legends of tunnels between Dalby church and Lund cathedral, between Trystorp castle and Riseberga monastery, and between Askeby monastery and Vreta Kloster monastery. Since the monasteries were closed down during the Lutheran reformation, these myths would have to be older than 16th century. --LA2 (talk) 14:40, 30 September 2012 (UTC)