Talk:Tutelo

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The Tutelo Native Americans

All Native American tribes had some pretty interesting customs. Like so many other tribes, the Tutelo culture ate, dressed, and farmed similar to how we do today. There still are, however, many differences. These include anything from war to housing, and most importantly, time. The Tutelo culture existed back in 1661, and lasted through the early 1700’s. One part of the Tutelo culture was where they lived. This native tribe lived within the Smokey Mountains of West Virginia, along with many other tribes including the Saponi and Occaneechi. The Tutelo lived in villages which consisted of small homes built by weaving and tying saplings together and covering them with elm bark. In the winter, animal fur would be brought in to help insulate the inside of the huts. In the summer months, these hides would be brought in order to keep the home cool. This would be done also to help provide more space on the insides. Another interesting aspect culture is what the Tutelo Native Americans ate. Ranging from deer meat to tobacco, this tribe was never left hungry. Once the tribe “made a kill,” every part of the animal was used in one way or another. An example of this is the meat from a deer or elk. After taking off the skin and cleaning the insides, there was immediately a tasty snake ready to be eaten. These kills were done with the average arrowhead that we see every day; just a little less wide that what you may be used to seeing. As well as meat, another use of the animal was its fur. The Tutelo wore little clothing but what they had on was animal hide. They also used this for insulation in the colder winter months. Although an overall peaceful tribe, the Tutelo did stir an occasional battle. This was most often occurring with the Powhatan Native Americans, yet no information is known on why they fought. The most disappointing war that the Tutelo fought in was against the Continental Army, which wiped out a majority of the tribe’s population. This explains the Tutelo’s short existence. Starting in the late 1600s, this was only about one hundred years before the English wiped out what is now North America. In the year of 1750, George Washington’s army bombarded many Native American sites, moving them so far west that few survived. The Tutelo did not make it due to Washington’s army and struggled to survive through the late 1700s. The Tutelo culture includes so many different fascinating parts in their culture, and to many the most important is their courage. Even after four hundred years, the souls of the Tutelo people still live on today. This was added by IP User:76.25.59.177. -Uyvsdi (talk) 05:35, 21 May 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi


 * D minus for encyclopedic info, and that's only ut of generosity. For one example, look at the sentence The Tutelo culture existed back in 1661, and lasted through the early 1700’s.   ORLY?  The name "Tutelo" comes from the Iroquoian exonym for the tribes who called themselves Yesan, and this culture was there long before first European contact in 1607, according to their own traditions since around 1270.  Same for the factual quality of the rest of this "essay".  Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 12:56, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * D- is generous. When you have single users acting as an authority on scores of different groups, and no method for self-correctingm you can see how Wikipedia can get Indigenous articles so wrong.
 * https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/04/15/the-great-wikipedia-hoax/
 * Apparently users like Yuchitown have the vast knowledge to mark dozens of groups extinct. including, but not limited to:
 * Accomac
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Accomac_people&diff=1086882245&oldid=1086874948
 * Accokeek
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Accokeek_tribe&diff=1086883453&oldid=1057119605
 * Anrdroscoggin
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Androscoggin_people&diff=1086863207&oldid=1086336332
 * Doeg
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doeg_people&diff=1080996275&oldid=1075840404
 * Tutelo
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tutelo&diff=1081062827&oldid=1079265973
 * Chisca
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chisca&diff=1091559836&oldid=1087050410
 * Chowanoke
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chowanoke&diff=1080995708&oldid=1075926695
 * Massachussett
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Massachusett&diff=1080823777&oldid=1075790010
 * Moneton
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moneton&diff=1081063932&oldid=1015866072
 * Federer20201 (talk) 04:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

The Tutelo who joined the Iroquois
I found a written account of a mythologized oral history from the Iroquois about how the Tutelo joined the Iroquois Confederacy, which would finally settle the matter as to how the two groups of Saponi split. Basically, when the Iroquois invaded Virginia & chased the Saponi out, a small group refused to give up their lands no matter what and ended up trapped in a cave near a river in a long siege, which ended in their surrender. Common Iroquois practice during the Beaver Wars was to capture enemy warriors & force them to become a sort of vassal tribe to the Iroquois. I also wonder if this had something to do with why the Iroquois sold the Saponi lands to the English. The Iroquois-Tutelo maybe could have held it on their behalf, but the other Saponi who fled south wanted their land back & if they came to continue war against the Iroquois, then it would largely be the captures Saponi fighting their own people on behalf of the confederacy. Maybe they were inclined to whatever choice avoided such an issue in the first place & urged the Iroquois to sell their own lands & be done with it. Bobbotronica (talk) 00:43, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Extinct
The sources on this article conflict. The source "Indians of Louisiana" declares them supposedly "extinct" and the last reference is 1898. Samuel Johns' letters referenced by the Frank Speck citation were written in 1930. Cringan's The Journal of American Folklore published in 1902, is a source of Tutelo music, also written after this source. Adoption is not extinction. The issues around Tutelo land, namely Tutela Heights Road, continued to be litigated to present day. If this group is extinct why are the Haudenosaunee continuing to steward this land? Federer20201 (talk) 04:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Tutelo Nahyssan Tribal Nation
There is apparently a Tutelo Nahyssan Tribal Nation which is based in Cutler, Ohio. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 00:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Was going to add them to List of unrecognized tribes in the United States, but saw they were already listed, so I added their location with a newspaper source. Yuchitown (talk) 00:58, 26 June 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown

Thank you, for completeness's sake, shouldn't we add a mention of them to this article too? 76.190.213.189 (talk) 00:30, 15 July 2023 (UTC)