Talk:Two-up

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question: was drinking illegal in 1945? if so, did people drink at two-up schools?

prohabition never came to australia as it did in the united states. However, from 1919 to the 1950's pub opening hours were cut to 6pm. This paved the way for sly grog shops, and the beginnings of organised crime in Sydney and Australia. Its fair to say that people did drink at some 2up schools, some probally even sold sly grog themselves.

Terminology
It seems that this article needs to have a separate section on terminology

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In particular, in its current form, the article does not mention the (?un-Australian?) swy-specific despicable circumstances of a (late-entering) player "coming in on the grouter" and exploiting the previous work of others. Yet, in these days of "insider trading", and given the approval that is often given to those who "do a Bradbury", perhaps traditional Australian values have significantly altered? Anyway, it seems puzzling that an article on swy neither mentions the despicable behaviour of someone "coming in on the grouter", nor does it mention the fact that the Australian vernacular uses this swy-connected term to uniquely describe a deviant social action (behaviour which, to many, is a far worse social crime than one "bludging on one's mates") 129.94.6.29 16:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Rules?
Article has a nice piece on the history but a Pommie like me with no clue as to how it is played or what the rules (or variations in rules) are. --DrFod 16:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Gotta agree. Heck, I'm an Aussie, but I have no idea how it's played, and it seems to me an article about the game should at least provide a summary of the basic rules. - Splunge


 * We should add something about the rules, as well as the various probabilities, the house take, etc., as is done with other gambling articles. - Matthew238 05:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I have added some rules (they were removed a while ago but without some rules then no one will understand what we are talking about) and edited the history to neaten it up. Dewatf 09:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I have cleaned up the rules and terminology section to try and make it clearer. There's nothing in there about house odds yet, that could probably go under the "Variations" section. --Stewartjohnson (talk) 04:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

In the Burswood Casino odds table, under Spinner's Bet, it says "Spinner spins three heads or tails, before either tailing out or…" - does this mean to say 'odding out'? What is 'tailing out'? Chockyegg (talk) 11:28, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Two Coins
Why use two coins, instead of just one - the section on the Rules doesn't say how this would make a difference (if indeed it would)? - Matthew238 (talk) 06:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you used a single coin everyone would have to remember what the first toss was when looking at the second. This would clearly leads to arguments as there wouldn't be 'proof'. By having two coins everyone can clearly see if they are the same or different without requiring any real brain power (which might be reduced by alcohol!) and also makes the 'game' faster and easier. --AlisonW (talk) 09:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Anzac Day: 2-up legal or do they just turn a blind eye?
According to the NSW Gambling (Two-Up) Act 1998, two-up in NSW is not unlawful on ANZAC day.


 * That may be the case in NSW, but is it necessarily so in other states? The media usually report that "authorities turn a blind eye" to 2-up on Anzac Day, which suggests it's still technically illegal in the rest of the country.  Does anyone have the correct story?  --  JackofOz (talk) 20:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Why list it as Australian?
The game is said in the lead to be Australian, but then says it was originally played in Britain and Ireland? Without a definite origin, would it not be better just to say that it’s a gambling game played with coins, possibly originating in Britain or Ireland, played there and elsewhere and then specify the popularity in Australia and association with ANZAC Day as a reason for its survival there? The 1960 British film Hell is a City has a plot-point which hinges on an illegal "tossing school” on Saddleworth Moor being broken up by the police; those taking part are playing Two-Up, and its portrayal implies that it would have been popular with a large group of gamblers, and also recognizable to at least enough of the audience that at no point is it explained what the participants are involved in, nor what the rules of the game are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:5988:3E01:E0FB:B1A6:9F27:264B (talk) 11:34, 30 January 2021 (UTC)