Talk:U2 by U2

My new draft
I have started this, please take a look and see if you can help a little bit. It's a great book and also a NYTimes best-seller.  Miss Bono  [zootalk] ☆ 16:01, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure! Do you own a copy of U2 by U2? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:43, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeas, I do. What's on your mind? :)  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  12:26, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It is empty like a light bulb or a vacuum tube &hellip; joking :D How did you know that I had something in my mind? In my opinion there is not enough material for starting an article. Is there any reason why there is not a line about that book on U2's article? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 15:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no idea, but there should be something on it, and something on the iPod U2 Special Edition. I have the Steve Jobs Bio book, which has a whole section about it. What do you suggest?  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  15:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Try to write the article with the material I found out. I've added some sections (per WikiProject Books→Article structure). Analysis is unnecessary because it is not a thesis and should be removed. In my opinion it was more convenient to maintain the sources at the end of the sandbox within the References/Sources sections and not in its talk page. I'm now going to copy those materials to the proper sections. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 17:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okis! I will work on that. Oh btw, I checked my U2 archives (6957 pictures lol) looking for the cover of the book, but I only have one and it is like 80x80 (not good enough) Can you find a better on and upload it with the same liscence of this one File:Thebeatlesthebiography.jpg  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  17:49, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * We will get it from the publisher or a books seller, but this is the last thing to do. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 17:57, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get it. I am a little lost in all this, what should I do with the draft?  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  18:00, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It depends by the section. For example, Reception wants something like Achtung_Baby; Background←→Achtung_Baby, and so on. Let me move all sources to the proper sections before. Then, we will rewrite it. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 18:13, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, By the way, I have uploaded a snapshot of how I see Wikipedia. This is the interface I see... File:How_Miss_Bono_sees_Wikipedia.xcf no colours, no design, no bar of categories, no edit box... nothing  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  18:16, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Nice shot :D! ← This reminds me of "Hey Man, Nice Shot", a song by Filter. Are you saying that your page is not dislayed correctly or that you are always seeing Wikipedia that way? In the first case, try to press F5 (Refresh the page) or move the first quotation box to a section. If you are always seeing infobox on the left (and on all pages) then try to change your Wikipedia skin Special:Preferences (I use "Vector"). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 18:35, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I am always seeing Wikipedia that way. I tried to change skins and all that but it is something about permissions and proxys. Maybe it is blocked for a better output and loading speed.  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  18:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * As I told you weeks ago, try to use Opera (web browser) with Turbo ON. Ask your system administrator to install it. It helps in case of slow connections. Do you know which is the fastest browser in the world? It's Lynx (web browser) :D ~ I have now got to go (dinner time here). I will continue tomorrow. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 19:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Enjoy your meal!! :D  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:08, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Muchas Gracias Señorita Bono :D –p joe f (talk • contribs) 19:21, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * jejeje, ya será señora de Bono cuando me case con él :P Can you imagine a 19 years old girl married with a 53 years old rockstar??? :o... How would it be? Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:24, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Lady Ali (Hewson) permitting :D –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I really cannot imagine that... ZZzzzzz   Miss Bono  [zootalk]  12:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Let's talk about serious things. I have completed several sections. I left some original texts (as small text) to see if anything is missing or if they can be reused in any of the other parts. The Summary section is still to be done. I wrote some esplicative notes on top of each section. I will not be around (on Wikipedia) for the next 4-5 hours (I'm busy with work). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my silly things, won't talk about it ever again. Regarding serious things, there was a quote that said Bono???, i read about it a few days ago and I am pretty sure it was Adam, I changed it back.   Miss Bono  [zootalk]  12:43, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I left some message on the U2 by U2 page, I think we should merge a few sections like you said. Can I?  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  12:55, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * P, I have a question for when you come back from work. In the draft there are small texts (original text) and normal texts, that was you drawing it up?, are they your words? (i am talking about the ones with [1] and [2]?)  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm still busy, but I read your messages. 1. Well done for Adam; 2. yes, you can; 3. the smal parts are from the sources (the original text; at the end of each of them there are the related templates we use as references ) while all other parts (excluding quotations) are our text; x. I know that the Vanity Fair quotation is on the book, but the book itself is, in this case, a primary source, also Vanity Fair has different regional magazines and the date is unknown/uncertain (it would be great to know the issue, number, author[s] and date of Vanity Fair in which it appeared); y. the publishing date of the 1st international edition is also uncertain. Some sources say Thursday, which means 22 [09-2006], others indicate Friday→23 (with an event in London), and others the 26 (same month and year); z. if possible, can you please copy the table of contents of the book within the Summary section? Bye for now. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 15:28, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * For the Vanity Fair quote I suggest that you search for it in Google, there has to be some page where it appears (IMHO lol). By the table of content do you mean the index? I will do it :)  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  15:36, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * As for Adam, I will make a little bit of research and make sure it was him. I know I saw it somewhere but I cannot remember exactly where. I have read so many things on U2 that I am going crazy :) I will let you know. Good luck with work.   Miss Bono  [zootalk]  15:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I did a web search for both things and found nothing. Is it a structured book? In other words, does it contain chapters and/or sections? We do not need the index but its table of contents (chapters and sections) — if it exists. The purpose is to write a "massive" Summary section similar to User:Miss_Bono/U2_by_U2→(Arts » Book Summaries » "U2 by U2" Book Summary by Gemma Craig, Demand Media), or a more short summary, such as the Rolling Stone quote box in that same section, and merge it with Background. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:46, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I am going to post the Contents right away. Keep an eye on it ;)  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  16:50, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  17:12, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've completed the preliminary work. User:Miss_Bono/U2_by_U2 needs your attention. I've started the descriptions for all the chapters of the book, but I do not know their contents, so add more info taken from the book (but in your own words and without being long-winded —too much verbose— this article is not about the story of U2, which is covered on their own article, but about the book). I've redirected your sandbox9 because we do not need two drafts for the same thing. Notes and original sources are there for editors (me and you included) to read and see if there are missing or wrong parts —we will remove all of them. The system I used for references seems to be a bit complicated but it is very simple (and a favourite of mine). For example, to cite the book itself use. This system produces short footnotes and when you click on one of them then you get the full source (under the Source subsection). This is very useful for articles containing a large number of notes and with sources repeated/reused several times (eventually with different pages). You can read more about this at Help:Shortened footnotes and Parenthetical referencing. We will add images later (I also think that images should be taken from the book, but they also need to be FREE). Please, tell me when you have completed the Summary section and if other editors (I'm referring to Cullen328 and Prabash.A and others, of course) have taken a look at (and edited) the article. I will then remove all the notes and original text. My opinion is still that there is not enough material to make it a good article, and to have a perennial stub or start article is not a good idea. So, we really need to know the opinions of other editors. P.S.: if you still have problem with your watchlist go to: Special:Watchlist and edit your whole watchlist by clicking View and edit watchlist or Edit raw watchlist. P.S. #2: what about moving this section to User talk:Miss_Bono/U2_by_U2? Bye for now. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:28, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Joe, I will work on the Summary, you might want to review it when I am done, because it might have some gramm mistakes. I will take a look into the links you gave me (the ones about ref and sources.) I will love that Cullen328 and Prabash.A work with us. About the watchlist. It wasn't mine, it was a problem with the watchlist of another editor :) Going to kick that Summary :P... Let me know when you get the message. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  12:51, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * My name is not Joe, "p" (with the lowercase letter) is enough (or too much :D). Just to let you know, Joe is a reference to the never forgotten, always an inspiration, always missed Joe Strummer, while "pjoe" is one of my nicks :D. Do you know that popular song originally written as part of the score of Carousel for its 1945 adaptation and used as a sporting anthem by many footbal clubs including my second favourite club, Liverpool F.C.? "You'll Never Walk Alone"!!! :D –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:18, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I was pretty sure that your name wasn't joe, but I liked to call you that way, if you don't I won't lol. I saw you add some ??? to the dates in the ToC... They're right. I double checked 'em :) Can I remove the ???. I think I've heard the song... I like Liverpool FC, actually I am a fan of soccer. My fav team is Juventus FC. What's your 1st fav team? I think you are British for the way you write favourite. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:26, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, remove all of them! I added the ???s because there are some overlapping years. You can call me in any way you like. We will talk about soccer in another time and another place :D. P.S.: Miss Bono, could you please provide me the ISBN number and size of your copy? The original was in Coffee table/hardcover book and 32 cm, while the paperback edition is 20 cm and this would explain the difference in the number of pages. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Just let me know p joe f ... I LOVE soccer. My copy is the second you mentioned :) ISBN 978-0-06-190385-4 <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  11:54, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

A note about the organization: some sections, such as Publication and Reception, but also Summary, are in chronological order. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:30, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not have a copy of the book but am happy to copyedit and tinker with phrasing along the way. I have rephrased the lede and first section for style and clarity. I added the 150 hours of interviews, two years to write, etc. to the background section. It seems to me to be background rather than summary. The citations are all piled in a row at the end, so they might need to be resorted. I didn't remove your comment pjoef, it's just a hidden comment now amongst the text on this editing page. I did remove the small font original text, because it's now been placed in the article. I will check back. This is now on my watchlist. Happy editing!   Fylbecatulous   talk  01:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you so very much Fylbecatulous ! The article structure is the one suggested by WP:BOOKS. "Background" deals with writer[s], when and where it was conceived and written, and etcetera, and it is similar to the recording and production section of an album. Summary, which should be renamed to "Content" (or "Plot???" or "Synopsis???"), is about its content and organization. The short footnotes are rendered in columns, but the number of columns depends on the width of the browser window and the number of rows on the number of notes divided by the number of columns. I've entered the smallest number, expressed in em, for which the wider note does not wrap. We can fix this later when it is completed. Once again, thank you for your help and happy editing! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you both  Fylbecatulous  and p joe f. Sorry I've been away but it was holidays here :). I'll see what can I do today :)  <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  11:47, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Edition date
Hey, p joe f. My copy of U2 by U2 says at the back: A paperback edition of this book was published in 2008 in the UK First It Books edition published in 2009 I have an It Books edition, so I think mine is from 2009. It has 455 pages. Whay do you think? <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  14:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * All editions (and formats) are reported by WorldCat and within the Publication section, so there is no problem. What I would like to know is the date of the first international edition (22OR23OR26 September 2006). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 15:34, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * p joe f, there's nothing about that date on the Book. Try to search here. Probably there's something there. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  17:33, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's in the sources. Two articles about the 250 signed books in Dublin talks about the international edition; one says Thursday, which means 22, another Friday (an event in London), which means 23. Online shops report the 22nd or the 26th of September 2006. 26 probably refers to the first U.S. edition, but as I said before, this is not a problem. Please add relevant things for the Summary. What's the prologue about? Which are the relevant events and photos (covered by the book) for each chapter? That is more important than the day of the release of the international and/or U.S edition. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 18:23, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey,p joe f. Check what i added to the summary. Feel free to correct anything and tell me what do I have to have in mind while writting. Remember that English is not my first language and it might be hard for me to summarize. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  18:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * IMHO it will be too long. For example: the prologue features four brief introductions to the book, one for each the members of the band. Bono deals with his personality, The Edge with his guitars and their sounds... should be enough, but don't worry; just add contents in the way you are comfortable with. I'll check it out tomorrow. Best! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 18:54, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Page number on quote
The quote by Bono is in the prologue and it has no page number, what should I do? <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  18:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Does the first page of the first chapter start at page 1? Usually, prefaces, intros, prologues, ... are numbered in Roman numerals: I, II, III, IV.... If it is not numbered, then remove it. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 06:52, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Use  for a single page,   for multiple pages, and   for other locations. For more info see: Template:Sfn. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Neil McCormick
Neil McCormick Biography
 * Home»Journalists»Neil McCormick at The Daily Telegraph website

Neil McCormick is the Telegraph’s chief pop and rock music critic. He is a best selling author and television and radio pundit.

Neil was born in England (March 31st, 1961) raised in Scotland and Ireland and has lived in London since 1983. He was a school friend of the members of U2 at Mount Temple Comprehensive in Dublin and went on to be singer in a succession of bands, Frankie Corpse & The Undertakers (1978), The Modulators (1978-79), Yeah!Yeah! (1980-83) and Shook Up! (1984-89).

His misadventures are laid out in painful detail in his memoir Killing Bono (originally published by Penguin in 2003 as I Was Bono’s Doppelganger). Sir Elton John described it as “the best book I have ever read about trying to make it in the music business.” Neil is also author of U2 By U2, the best selling music book in the world in 2006.

Neil started working for Hot Press music magazine in Dublin in 1978 as a 17-year-old punk rock art school drop out. He returned to journalism in the early nineties, becoming Editor At Large of GQ. He has been rock critic for the Daily Telegraph since 1996. He is a regular guest on BBC TV and radio shows as an expert on the music business.

Neil has continued to make music on the sidelines under the alias The Ghost Who Walks. In 2004, he made a belated major label debut at the invitation of Mel Gibson, on Songs Inspired By The Passion of the Christ, performing his track Harm’s Way, between Elvis Presley and Leonard Cohen. “I should probably quit while I’m ahead,” he wrote in his column.

Killing Bono has been filmed with Ben Barnes (Prince Caspian in the Narnia film series) starring as Neil and Martin McCann as Bono, directed by Nick Hamm (The Hole, Godsend). It will be released by Paramount on April Fool’s Day, 2011.

Neil McCormick has been a close personal friend of U2 for many years (he grew up with the band). A staff music writer for The Daily Telegraph, his latest novel was called Killing Bono. He lives in London, England.
 * Neil McCormick from HarperCollins Publishers

Cover
Here are some non-free images for the cover. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:38, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * 9780060776749.jpg (JPEG Image, 50.5 kB (51,708 bytes), 532px × 648px) at harpercollins.com
 * 600.jpg (JPEG Image, 93.29 kB (95,532 bytes), 600px × 600px) at u2.com
 * 9780007196685.jpg (JPEG Image, 18.84 kB (19,291 bytes), 327px × 400px) at waterstones.com

External links section
According to WP:LINKSPAM, we can't add everywhere the book is for sale with a link to their website. That makes a linkfarm and will be one of the first things deleted or tagged as a problem. I am going to see if I can integrate some of the review-like material into the 'reception' section (perhaps copy and paste for now and I promise to return to clean up). The rest I suppose I will delete. It will be in the history if we need it. If I see something important regarding all these different editions (like solving a mystery) I'll make sure I put them somewhere everyone can find. OK?  Fylbecatulous  talk  13:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * They were useful for gathering information about the book at this stage. books.google.com is often used in many articles for previewing parts of cited books and it is not a bookshop. Amazon 006190385X has a "click to look inside" function with book preview, which can be useful for those who do not own a copy of this book. HarperCollins is not a bookseller but the publishing company of U2 by U2; I think that this link should be readded to the External links section, it also has a massive book preview (better than the one on Amazon). Waterstones has a rating (4 out of 5) for it, but I do not know if it was rated by the staff or by Anonymous :) (see: waterstones.com...u2+by+u2). Thanks for your help. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 15:20, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! Nothing is gone. I have pasted back every comment or excerpt up in the article in another section. see histories. The links themself are in the history too. Please add back all you want. I'm just trying to help, but perhaps it is premature, since the article is so underdeveloped. I am going to find this too frustrating and confusing to help out in a sandbox article. I said in an earlier edit to please revert if you want. That still stands, of course. I will bow out.  Happier editing without me.     Fylbecatulous   talk  17:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Request for help with Summary
There is a lot of info here. Good job. I will do my best to do some work on the summary. When you say original text that is how it is written originally and you want it reworded I am guessing. If I am not on the right track let me know. Thanks <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:Red 0em 0em 0.8em,Yellow -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,Cyan 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000"><span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:Red 0em 0em 0.8em,Yellow -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,Cyan 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000">Tattoodwaitress ♥ LetsTalk 16:41, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * yes, it is what you say. I'm afraid that if I do that work it won't be good, cuz Englidh is not my first language. I have the book, just in case you need something :)

<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  17:25, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

font size
May I remove the code for the small font size in the summary? It is difficult to work with it in there. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:Red 0em 0em 0.8em,Yellow -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,Cyan 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000"><span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:Red 0em 0em 0.8em,Yellow -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,Cyan 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000">Tattoodwaitress ♥ LetsTalk 17:18, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't remove it please, just hide it putting it between Like this  <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  17:25, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh ok no I will leave it the same. I will just have to use edit source instead of editing using the beta tool. Even then when you try to edit and come across font changes I dont know how to make the text small again if i happen to be between the font tags by mistake. The beta editor has some issues with this i guess. No biggie. Thanks<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:Red 0em 0em 0.8em,Yellow -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,Cyan 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000"><span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:Red 0em 0em 0.8em,Yellow -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,Cyan 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000">Tattoodwaitress ♥ LetsTalk 18:28, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Can you please check
Miss Bono Would you please check what I have done so far? I have only managed to get through a few sentences in the summary. This way I will know if I am on the right track with what you want. I know you said not to reorganize so I am going sentence by sentence (for the most part), only rearraging sentences after changing the wording to remove any possibility of a copy vio. I also removed the text "original text" and am curious as to what you mean by "report it". Thanks Tattoodwaitress (talk) 17:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * HI, Tattoodwaitress. I am reading it :) I'll let you know. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  17:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Great, Tattoodwaitress, when you think it is rewritten just remove the small tag so I will know when it is not an original text anymore. Thanks! <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  18:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

U2.com sources for U2 By U2
This is all I've found on U2.com for U2 By U2.

In Their Own Words
url=http://www.u2.com/news/article/4289, title=In Their Own Words, date=20 Sep 2006

It is the definitive U2 story. It has stories never before told and photos never before seen. It is 'U2byU2' and worldwide publication is this weekend.

For the first time each member of U2 - and manager Paul McGuinness - has told their own story from their earliest childhood memories to their first meeting with each other, from those opening chords in Larry's kitchen to the closing chords on some of the biggest nights in rock'n'roll.

Ever wondered what it's like being in a band with your school friends for your entire adult life?

Ever wanted to have a conversation with the band themselves ?

'U2byU2' is the ultimate conversation with Adam, Bono, Edge, Larry and Paul McGuinness in which they tell their own side of the U2 story.

More news and publication details in the coming days. Stay tuned!

U2 By U2 Signings
url=http://www.u2.com/news/article/1987, title=U2 By U2 Signings, date=20 Sep 2006

U2.com can confirm that the band will be signing copies of their book U2 by U2 in London and Dublin.

A limited number of subscribers resident in these countries will be able to attend the signings. If you are a resident you will be alerted to the draw by a direct email from U2.com. The selection of subscribers successful in attending the signing is entirely random. However the U2.com draw is not the only way to attend, if you are unsuccessful further event details will be released tomorrow.

Signing On In London
url=http://www.u2.com/news/article/1993, title=Signing On In London, date=22 Sep 2006

Hundreds of fans were at Waterstone's flagship bookstore in central London today to catch the band signing copies of 'U2 by U2'.

Great to see so many U2.Com subscribers in store and meeting the band. And big congratulations to those who began queuing yesterday evening - and slept out in the rain - to make sure they got to meet the band and got their books personally dedicated.

Waterstones shut the store for the morning and the third floor was rammed with fans from all over the UK - as well as Europe, South America, India and New Zealand.

The band showed up at midday - to be met by a battery of photographers and camera crews - and began a marathon two-hour book signing which lasted well into the afternoon.

Tomorrow they're in Dublin for another signing and later we'll be carrying a fuller report of today's signing - and more photos.

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