Talk:UEFA Euro 2012 qualifying Group H

Iceland's points
Why is Iceland listed with 1 point when they have 0 wins, 0 draws, and 2 losses? 129.241.146.63 (talk) 20:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Portugal goal difference
Why is Portugal listed with GD of 10-7 when they have a score of 4-4, 3-1 and 3-1? Are the scores correct or is the GD correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.37.61 (talk) 23:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * They are both correct but you overlooked they have played 4 matches including a 0-1 loss to Norway on 7 September 2010. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Notes about Iceland's scenario for 4 June
In the event Iceland lose to Denmark, and Portugal defeat Norway, Iceland will still be able to finish as runner-up. This result leaves Norway, Portugal, and Denmark all on 10 points which is the maximum Iceland can get. Now, if Norway and Portugal both lose their remaining matches while Iceland and Denmark win theirs, the final standings will be
 * 19 Denmark
 * 10 Portugal
 * 10 Norway
 * 10 Iceland
 * 8 Cyprus

In the 3-way tie for runner-up, each team would have 6 points, leaving the tiebreaker to be decided by the margins of Iceland's victories over Norway and Portugal in September and October.

Cyprus scenarios for September 2nd
I did a lot of maths to calculate the possible results. They can still qualify even if they lose their next game as long as Norway loses to Iceland. That said, if they draw against Portugal, the following scenario arises:


 * Portugal 11p
 * Norway 10p
 * Denmark 10p
 * Cyprus 3p
 * Iceland 1p

If Cyprus then win all their remaining games, they end at 12p. To then be able to win the group both the Den-Nor and Den-Por games need to end in draws, giving Denmark 12p, Portugal 12p and Norway 11p. This would cause a three-way tie (or four-way, if Norway draws Iceland in their next game). Either way though, Cyprus will not win the tie, as these would be the internal results:


 * Cyp-Por 2-2 (2 points each earned among the teams)
 * Cyp-Den 3-3
 * Den-Por 1-4

Leading to Portugal winning the group with 6 points between the teams in question, ahead of Cyprus with 5 and Denmark with 4.

In case of a four way tie the following results are added:
 * Cyp-Nor 3-3
 * Den-Nor 2-2
 * Por-Nor 3-3

Portugal would still win the group, now with 9 points ahead of Cyprus/Norway with 8 and Denmark with 6.

Therefore, regardless of Norway's result vs Iceland on the 2nd of September, Cyprus will be unable to win the group if they draw Portugal. Lejman (talk) 17:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

October 7 scenarios

 * Portugal wins, Denmark loses - POR 16 / DEN 13 / NOR 13.


 * On the last day, if Portugal gains at least 1 point against Denmark, they win the group.
 * If they lose to Denmark and Norway does not win, they have a play-off spot at least as they're ahead of Norway on points.
 * If they lose to Denmark and Norway wins, they are ahead of Norway in the three-way tie (Norway played all their games against Portugal and Denmark and has 4 points in those, Portugal already has 6), Portugal has a play-off spot at least.


 * Denmark wins, Portugal wins - POR 16 / DEN 16 / NOR 13.


 * On the last day, even if Denmark loses to Portugal, Norway can only catch up, and Denmark has head-to-head advantage in a two-way tie with Norway, so at least Denmark gets a play-off spot.


 * Denmark wins, Portugal draws - DEN 16 / POR 14 / NOR 13.


 * See above. The best Norway can do is catch up to Denmark and Denmark will have head-to-head advantage, and therefore will get at least a play-off spot.


 * Denmark wins, Portugal loses - DEN 16 / POR 13 / NOR 13.


 * On the last day, if Denmark does not lose to Portugal, they win the group.
 * If they lose to Portugal and Norway doesn't win, they're ahead of Norway on points and have at least a play-off spot.
 * If they lose to Portugal and Norway wins, there is a three-way tie with Portugal and Norway. Portugal would have 9 points in three-way tiebreaker, both Norway and Denmark would both have 4. If Denmark loses to Portugal, say, by a score of 0-3, their goal difference in head-to-head games will be -3, and Norway's goal difference is -2 (they played all the games against Denmark and Portugal already). Norway would get the play-off spot and Denmark would be eliminated.

Therefore Denmark will secure a play-off spot if they defeat Cyprus AND Iceland do not defeat Portugal.

Geregen2 (talk) 02:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * In addition to this, defeating Iceland is not enough for Portugal to gain at least a play-off spot. If Portugal beat Iceland but lose to Denmark, and Norway win their last game, then the following scenarios are possible:


 * Denmark beat Cyprus - DEN 19 / POR 16 / NOR 16
 * Since Portugal and Norway have identical head-to-head records, it will come down to goal difference.
 * Denmark draw with Cyprus - DEN 17 / POR 16 / NOR 16
 * See above.
 * Denmark lose to Cyprus - DEN 16 / POR 16 / NOR 16
 * The head to head record will be Denmark 7 points; Portugal 6 points; Norway 4 points.
 * Therefore, Portugal will get the play-off spot.
 * Since we assumed worst-case scenario for Portugal on October 11 (Portugal lose, Norway win), I think we can say that Portugal will secure a play-off spot if they defeat Iceland AND Cyprus defeat Denmark. 161.73.146.57 (talk) 09:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

October 7 "Norway will be eliminated" scenario
Somebody added "Norway will be eliminated if both Portugal and Denmark win".

Not true.

Portugal beats Iceland 1-0, Denmark beats Cyprus, on the last day Denmark beats Portugal 3-0, Norway beats Cyprus 6-0.

Denmark has 19 points. Portugal has 16 points. Norway has 16 points. Portugal and Norway have identical head-to-head results (each won home game 1-0), so goal difference comes into play. Portugal has difference of +6, Norway +7, Portugal out, Norway in the play-offs.

Geregen2 (talk) 01:49, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I've removed this section. It's all speculation.  Wikipedia doesn't itemize "what-ifs" -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 23:16, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand your argument and I've heard it before. Future scenarios are standard in qualification articles though. They do need to be specific enough for it to be clear what result leads to what outcome though, I've tried to improve the description.Lejman (talk) 23:31, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Denmark should be colored blue
Denmark has secured at least playoffs and should be colored blue. I can't seem to figure out how the template works, can anyone do it? Sakkura (talk) 22:28, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Sakkura (talk) 22:36, 7 October 2011 (UTC)