Talk:UEFA Euro 2020 final

Penalty shoot-out (association football)
add second final decided on penalties 97.126.66.142 (talk) 21:48, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Crowd trouble
Draft:London riots 2021 Bogger (talk) 22:34, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * A separate article on 'London riots' seems too soon. No sources have described the difficulties with fans as 'riots' as far as I can see, and there certainly doesn't seem enough to justify a dedicated article. It would be better to have a detailed section in this article. RoanokeVirginia (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * As above. There was an attempt to storm the match, and some drunk behaviour in Leicester and Trafalgar squares. Nothing worth making a new article for. And before people say "yeah but what about...", most of the serious "incidents" that are being shared on Twitter (for some reason by Kpop accounts, I have no idea why) are unfounded or fake. The video with the kicking is not of Italian fans trying to get out, it's of people kicking the English stormers. Notice they're running from a tunnel into an indoor area, and fans are segregated. The video of the person being thrown in the Thames has absolutely no context and no corroborating sources. The "12 stabbed in Chadwell Heath" story is unknown to the people who live there, and was actually a scrap much earlier than the game, and according to the police, caused no injury; nobody can provide any source for it rather than an anonymous facebook status screenshot. Unknown Temptation (talk) 08:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

England campaign support
Hi! I want to add this statement to the article. Is this notable enough to add?:


 * Many British athletes spoke out in support of England's Euro 2020 campaign. Cricketer Ben Stokes stated that English footballers are "absolute legends" and the nation is "incredibly proud of what they managed to do."

Raps19 (talk) 03:37, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I don't think one quote from Ben Stokes is enough to substantiate the "many British athletes" claim, and I also don't think we need to be flooding the page with testimony from others to coddle the footballers further. – PeeJay 06:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Makes sense. Thank you! Raps19 (talk) 17:51, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Chiellini-Saka Incident Memes
I'm relatively new to this but please can you consider the following for inclusion:


 * One positive impact from social media came about from Chiellini's foul on Saka at the end of normal time, which was the subject of many memes due to the cynical actions of the experienced Italian defender on the young Englishman.

--SmegsBeard (talk) 09:42, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Broadcasters/Notable spectators
This is the English language wiki not an England wiki. The broadcasting section heavily features the UK coverage with a token mention of RAI. As part of countering systematic bias the article should feature every channel, viewership figures, commentator and pundit from each country that broadcast the game. Of course this would bloat the article so I think the entire section should be deleted.

The "notable spectators" section should also go. Why should "person attends football match" be included in an encyclopedia? --Dougal18 (talk) 13:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * One negative consequence of this being the English language wiki means that most of the contributors are limited to using sources they can understand, i.e. ones in English, which means coverage will probably show a bias towards the England team. If you can provide sources that go into greater detail about the RAI coverage of the game, that would be great. I disagree that we need to add info about broadcasting in other countries; since the match featured England and Italy, their national broadcasters are the most important ones. Broadcasting in other countries is relatively irrelevant. – PeeJay 19:08, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is worth mentioning broadcasting/viewership information for the countries of the two finalists, along with global viewership data if available. The broadcasting information on Italy should be expanded, though its lack of current detail does not necessitate the section's removal entirely (WP:DIY also applies). I do not see a major issue with including information on notable spectators at major sporting events (see also 2014 FIFA World Cup Final), especially dignitaries. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:03, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

England fans racism
currently there is basically no context to the section, although England has been one of the most visible teams of Euro doing the BLM knee, and probably the team who got the most vocal backlash. right now the section reads as if the racism came out of nowhere, when in reality it's a lingering problem that, to a certain degree, should have been expected. 2601:602:9200:1310:8D0D:1229:EF80:D043 (talk) 18:24, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

edit warring over "Aftermath" section
There has been a discussion started at WT:FOOTY over this, perhaps people could discuss there (or here) rather than just revert warring. Spike &#39;em (talk) 09:11, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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Mention BBC 5 Live radio commentators
John Murray was the main commentator while Chris Sutton was the co-commentator on bbc 5 live radio for this match. Please mention that. Priyavrat Chaudhary (talk) 06:34, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is this worthy of mention? Spike &#39;em (talk) 07:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I have seen mentions of BBC and ITV pundits on the page while there is no such information regarding the pundits and commentators of bbc 5 live radio. In my opinion radio media details is as important as tv media details. I think it is worthy of a mention atleast. Not necessarily in detail though. You could just mention the commentary team that's it. Priyavrat Chaudhary (talk) 07:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Is the radio commentary team mentioned in reliable, third-party sources? – PeeJay 20:58, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There is some information about the BBC radio coverage here. --Jameboy (talk) 23:43, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not a third party source, it is the bbc's own listing. Spike &#39;em (talk) 00:05, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * And it doesn't even mention the radio commentary team. Spike &#39;em (talk) 00:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This one may be better. --Jameboy (talk) 00:19, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this source is enough to make a mention about radio commentators.
 * There is a full match commentary of bbc 5 live radio on YouTube which confirm who were the commentators. But I don't think youtube sources are considered valid.
 * Priyavrat Chaudhary (talk) 05:18, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No, it's trivial. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * TV commentators are noteworthy but radio commentators are trivial? Is radio less important? --Jameboy (talk) 23:18, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Radio is as important tv. It should be given a mention on the page. Priyavrat Chaudhary (talk) 05:19, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a source for the radio coverage at all? If not, it’s obviously not as important. – PeeJay 14:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't have a source other than radio commentary on youtube channel. I wanted to point out the details of radio commentators Priyavrat Chaudhary (talk) 16:26, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Personally I think our section on the TV coverage is too detailed already - mentioning who the touchline commentators were and whether the BBC started 10 mins earlier than the ITV coverage, is excessive. I decided to let sleeping dogs lie and not to remove it when working on this for GA and FA last year, but really it could be cut down by a lot. And by the same token we certainly don't need to add radio as well. Note that other football match FAs such as 2014 FIFA World Cup final don't have any such detail, they simply give the global television audience as a one-liner in the match summary. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:37, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the sentiment that it could be cut down, but using another article as justification for that isn't right. Couldn't we make the reciprocal argument that the 2014 article should be expanded to feature such information? – PeeJay 16:19, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think adding the media (radio and tv) from the countries that are playing in a match should be included. Only thing that was missing was radio commentators that is why I pointed out in this thread. I agree with you Media details of commentators should be on the page. Priyavrat Chaudhary (talk) 16:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah sure, absence of that detail in another article isn't absolute proof, but consulting other examples is a fairly common way to judge whether a particular topic is merited or not. And evidently the FAC reviewers at the 2014 article didn't feel that the absence of detail on German and Argentinian TV pundits for that game was a major problem. But anyway, leaving that aside, it seems we agree on the principle in this article that there may be excessive detail, so the question is how much? Personally I would at least remove commentator details and what time the coverage began, and just leave which networks covered the game, plus the viewer figures. As a neutral reader I don't really care much about any of this detail. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:14, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No, you're right, absence of that information isn't a major obstacle to an article about a football match reaching FA status, but its inclusion shouldn't be either. I think if the commentary was particularly notable, then we'd be justified in using a primary source just to identify the commentators, but as things stand, all we have is a primary source, which doesn't suggest to me that the commentators need mentioning. The broadcaster perhaps, but not the people who worked on the broadcast. – PeeJay 02:59, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Number of unticketed entries appears way off
Today in Parliament, MP's from both sides cited the figure "3000 - 5000" people who entered without tickets. This article refers only to "eyewitness reports saying the number of illegal entries might be in the hundreds." Does anyone know where the MP's got their figure? It seems this section could use an update.

Also, the bill being debated in Parliament criminalizes ticketless entry into football matches as a direct result of this incident, so maybe it should be mentioned in the aftermath section. Dcs002 (talk) 20:05, 23 February 2024 (UTC)