Talk:Ukrainians

Total population
According to source https://www.joshuaproject.net/people_groups/15696 Total population of Ukrainians is 37 mln Artixxxl (talk) 18:37, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2022
Romanization is Rusyny, not Rysyny 2600:8800:2C00:BC00:6C66:C531:DF57:2055 (talk) 06:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the population map reading ""Ethnographical Map of Ukraine" printed just after World War II. ", it should state is was refering to population at the start of the XXth century (as can be seen on the map webpage text), because if not, it can confuse people. Lots of changes happened from 1900 to 1946. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.47.124.238 (talk) 08:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Vernadsky
Ukrainian language form of his name is Volodymyr. Vladimir is russian language one. 77.237.14.246 (talk) 05:07, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Citizens of Ukraine
Surprised article doesn't mention that Ukrainians are also all the citizens of Ukraine, as all encyclopedias do mention (Encyclopedia of Ukraine, Encyclopedia of the history of Ukraine) right in the lead. Will add that later with sources. Manyareasexpert (talk) 16:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Many articles about European nations have a formula like "are an ... ethnic group ..., who share a common ancestry, culture, and history." I never saw a source for it. From Germans this formula was removed after a long and frustrating discussion. In addition to being unsourced, I think this formula is really wrong for Ukrainians. An understanding of Ukrainians as a political nation has a long tradition among Ukrainians and has been strengthened by the Russian aggression. One quote to illustrate this: "According to Putin, Russians and Ukrainians are "one people" because they are close in language, religion and history. He overlooks the fact that in the post-Soviet era, Ukrainians increasingly see themselves as a political nation, a nation by will (Willensnation, civic nation) that includes several ethnic and linguistic groups. That is why he was surprised that most Russian-speaking Ukrainians did not enthusiastically welcome the invading Russian troops, but on the contrary offered bitter resistance." Andreas Kappeler, a respected professor emeritus for East European history in Vienna, wrote this a few months after the Russian invasion of February 2022, and Timothy Snyder says something very similar in his Yale lectures.
 * Rsk6400 (talk) 09:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Languages
@Arctic Circle System, please see Talk:Ukrainians/Archive 5. Manyareasexpert (talk) 16:55, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Isn't Surzhyk primarily spoken by ethnic Ukrainians? And Ukrainian is also the official spoken language of Ukraine, I don't think Ukrainian Sign Language should be removed simply because it happens to be the official sign language of Ukraine. Also that discussion didn't reach consensus, no one was involved in it except you. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 03:48, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Isn't Surzhyk primarily spoken by ethnic Ukrainians? No.I don't think Ukrainian Sign Language should be removed simply because it happens to be the official sign language of Ukraine. Let's just follow sources. the Ukrainians are people whose native language is Ukrainian (an objective criterion)  Етнічна мова У. — українська мова Manyareasexpert (talk) 18:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not talking about the definition of the term "Ukrainians", I'm talking about what languages Ukrainians speak. And deaf Ukrainians tend to speak Ukrainian Sign Language as a native language. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 06:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * what languages Ukrainians speak Ukrainians speak a lot of languages. Like almost every other nation / ethnic group possibly do. Please see archived topic referenced above. Manyareasexpert (talk) 12:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The difference is that Ukrainian Sign Language is frequently spoken by Ukrainians as a native language within Ukraine, which Ukrainians are native to. And I have seen that archived topic, and again, no one was involved in it except you. There was no consensus reached. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 16:27, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It should also be mentioned that Ukrainian is the official language of Ukraine, and spoken by most Ukrainian citizens, even those who aren't ethnic Ukrainians. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 16:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This is probably already mentioned in Ukraine. Manyareasexpert (talk) 17:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not mentioned there at all. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * See Official language and national language Manyareasexpert (talk) 06:09, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This article is about all Ukrainians, not only those living in Ukraine. Manyareasexpert (talk) 17:45, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The vast majority of Ukrainians live in Ukraine. And besides that, many Ukrainian diaspora populations frequently use the local language of the place they live rather than Ukrainian in daily life. ~Cherri of Arctic Circle System (talk) 23:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ... You propose to include English, Portuguese, others? Manyareasexpert (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No, of course not. ~Red of Arctic Circle System (talk) 00:20, 7 September 2023 (UTC)