Talk:Ulver

Untitled
Someone needs to do the rest of the albums --KharBevNor 00:40, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

This is definetely NPOV - it sounds like an ad for Ulver.

Updated discography - did you notice?
KharBevNor--

I had updated the discography a couple of months ago to include everything they've been doing, including some future collaborations with other artists.

Recent Interview with Garm
I had an interview with Krystoffer G. "Garm/Fiery G. Maelstrom/Trickster G/G. Wolf/Bob G" Rygg recently. It appeared in issue #52 of the San Diego-based magazine Modern Fix. He highlighted a lot of details about HeadControlSystem, the Nattens Madrigal string remake, the various directions Ulver has taken over the years, etc. And if you're wondering why I included "Bob G" as one of his multiple names, it was from my suggestion that I call him that during the interview. He had jokingly responded, "Maybe I'll adopt that for the next record." Yes, this is a shameless promotion for both the magazine and myself, so that's why I'm including it here as a discussion topic rather than as actual article information.


 * The interview is not online? Why don't you try to incorporate some of his statements in this article? Also, Garm told me Ulver is working on a new album and a score for a major American movie this fall, did he tell you anything about this? cun 20:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Trip Hop
Why did you leave trip hop from the genres? (Connacht)

Ulver hardly contributed anything to the trip-hop genre. They have used elements of the genre in select areas of their catalogue, but to list it as a genre the band plays or played would be too much. None of their albums are even close to being trip-hop albums, and they don't even have any songs one could call full blown trip-hop. Karpsm  ö   m  06:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

That's ok. However, since it is a big influence, IMHO we should insert "trip hop" as a genre (within all other genres) in Perdition City, do you agree? Connacht 17:38, 02 January 2007 (UTC)

Perdition does not have that strong a Trip-Hop influence though, electronic music does not automatically mean Trip-Hop. Karpsm  ö   m  20:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

In fact I never said that trip hop = electronic :) However, I was also thinking to insert The Future Sound of London (with Dead Cities) as an influence for latest albums. Connacht 12:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Typographics
I am displeased by somebody’s reversal of my replacement of typewriter typographics (example: "inch marks") with decent book typographics (example: “proper” quotation marks). I can think of no reason for this. (Note that the difference between “” and "" is not visible in some sans-serif fonts when the size is small; but there is a difference none the less). Ramir 02:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No other article uses these. They are noticeable, and don't really look very good. They aren't consistent with style. = ∫tc 5th Eye 04:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Tags
It has been impolite of somebody to stick the tag, not giving examples of statements that are not neutral in their opinion. Besides, is it not the time to remove the other annoyance also — the “copy editing” tag? Ramir 02:54, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I just got rid of the copy edit tag. I also replaced the advert tag with a review one, which seems more fitting. There is evidence of improper tone and non-NPOV throughout the entire article, but mostly in the "modern era" section. = ∫tc 5th Eye 03:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I renamed the sections (for the headers could be considered “cheesy” and advert-kind), removed some weasel words, and added a reference to the list of reviews which indeed praised Ulver’s albums. Please review, if you would. Ramir 03:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good, except a couple technical issues that bother me whenever I see them. Did you just revert the page and fix other stuff? I think you did, and that messed up a lot of stuff. = ∫tc 5th Eye 04:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I did, yet striving to incorporate your edits (except for quotes: they are used consistently in this article, and they are used in all serious printed publications). Ramir 04:21, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, well, I'll fix all the stuff you neglected to (like changing distortion (guitar) to distortion (music), which makes no sense; and other stuff). Oh, and curly quote marks aren't used consistently. They go back to being straight ones in the Recent years section. I'll leave that for you to fix after I fix the stuff you reverted. = ∫tc 5th Eye 04:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry. Now I see your wiki-formatting that I reverted. As for curly quotes, here are my two arguments to conclude the issue:
 * In the standard-sized computer-screen rendering of the sans-serif font of the default Wikipedia skin, they things “” are identical to inch-mark quotes "".
 * In print, they (the curly double quotation marks) are the standard. And Wikipedia wants to become a serious publication, so let ’  s start using  ’  em, along with the other elements of professional typographics.
 * Ramir 04:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

new album
i have heard from the end records that a new ulver album is coming out. i guess this should be added if there is evidence. Panasonicyouth99 17:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, so find us evidence!! I would love to hear about this!! Karpsm   ö   m  04:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, there is sadly no evidence of this new record besides The End Records' Facebook account. Unless you want Ulver's site, which implies the creation of new material. As awesome as this news is, there's no way we can put it up yet. = ∫tc 5th Eye 01:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

New news
On Ulver's Myspace (at blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=34726270&blogID=287277208&Mytoken=E99AEBEF-2E4E-447B-9013EA38D29BC89645031405) they made a post on the new album:Many of you have been waiting for sound, and we are sorry for the silence. We needed to be alone, without the hustle and bustle of the living. We are uncomfortable with the world, the industry and our place. We have been working, sluggishly, well aware we could end up with nothing. Nonetheless we believe we have succeeded in giving our fears some kind of form. SHADOWS OF THE SUN, our 7th full-length album, is finished and will be released October 1st. We feel it is our most personal record to date. Low-key, dark, and tragic. As we are. Of course there aren't any reliable news sources saying this yet so we technically can't put it in Wikipedia right? :( Oh well it can go here, that satisfies me. = ∫tc 5th Eye 20:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind! I guess their news page is enough. = ∫tc 5th Eye 00:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Jørn H. Sværen
Some says he's Ulver's drummer, some says he's not. Pages around the web states he's a poet and translator. What is his role in Ulver? I can't find any reliable information.

cun 11:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * He's a band member and I think we should stick to that in relation to the band as the members role internally isn't really well known (they don't perform). He's also working as a writer, translator and publisher. --Emuzesto 13:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he is a band member, but I think there's a general confusion about exactly what he's doing. Some states he's the drummer, some says he just does miscellaneous stuff (without further explaining what this might be). It would be nice to get more insight.

cun 14:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

None of the members have specific positions other than Garm being singer. The 3 of them write the music and all work together to create it. Most of the drums in Ulver are played by session musicians and programming. If he does play drums, it has never been confirmed by any valid source. Karpsm  ö   m  04:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 22:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Tribute album
This tribute album was just released... it is notable enough to be included in the discography/have its own article? = ∫tc 5th Eye 02:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Folk metal
This article for Ulver is currently under included in both the folk metal groups category as well as the list of folk metal bands. Yet nowhere else in the article are they described as folk metal. The infobox for this article tags them as black metal and folk music separately - not folk metal. The infobox in the article for their first album Bergtatt tags them as folk metal though. Now I've been doing some major work in trying to improve the folk metal article over at my personal sandbox. Seeing as to how this first Ulver album was released in 1994, I thought it would deserve a mention in the early history of the genre. Imagine my surprise though when I was not able to find a single reliable source to indicate the band was ever a folk metal outfit. There is, of course, the metal archives tagging them as "Black/Folk Metal (1993-1996)" but anyone who thinks the metal archives qualify as a reliable source should not waste my time by responding to me. The review on Allmusic.com describes the album as alternating between "sections of grim, blasting black metal" and "quiet, folk-like acoustic passages." No mention of the two being presented together. Which leads me to think that the infobox for this main Ulver article here is correct in tagging the band as black metal and folk music separately while the infobox for the Bergtatt album is wrong in tagging the album as folk metal. I do not know whether Ulver was the first but I'm sure they were not the only band to alternate between passages of extreme metal and passages of quiet, folk-like acoustic passages. Opeth comes to mind as does the early albums of Aeternus. Neither are described anywhere on wikipedia as folk metal. I've read many interviews, reviews and profiles of Ulver and their albums without once encountering anything that I could use to include Ulver in folk metal article. So I'm wondering here: did I miss something? Is there some reliable source that any of you might know of that indicate Ulver started as a folk metal band with their first album? Or is this more of a case of a fan making the mistake of thinking that Ulver qualifies as a folk metal band when they do not? I'd appreciate a response but if none arrive after some time, I will take it upon myself to remove Ulver from both the category and list for folk metal bands.--Bardin (talk) 06:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Capitalization formatting and the like
To adhere to certain standards set here (and mirrored at MusicBrainz), I'm going to be doing some cleanup regarding the capitalization and formatting of the Norwegian albums. I hope nobody objects to this, though I've had people insisting that capitalization rules here should follow the standards set by each language (this case was where I learned that). = ∫tc 5th Eye 02:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Ulver discography
 Support split - Discography section takes up close to one third of the page and should be split to a new article entitled Ulver discography. --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:02, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

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How to list Daniel O'Sullivan
Daniel O'Sullivan has had an interesting time with Ulver. According to the official site, he joined the band as a "core member" in 2009, and is described as a "bandmate" as late as the ATGCLVLSSCAP press release. By the time of Caesar, though, they explain that "the core of Ulver is the trio Kristoffer Rygg, Jørn H. Sværen and Tore Ylwizaker", and describe O'Sullivan as a "collaborator" and "associated member".

So, he is clearly a former member, but he's also still working with the band in some capacity. How should that be listed?

I think it's probably fine to list him as former as far as the infobox goes, but the Members section is a bit more complex. I don't think she should be listed simply as former, due to his continued association; so I've listed him as a supporting member, with the note that he was a core member at one point. — Kawnhr (talk) 00:47, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Harmony Korine Quote
The quote at the end of the introduction from Harmony Korine is, I think, out of context. I found the original interview here: http://www.harmony-korine.com/paper/int/hk/assangel.html In context, I think it's clear that he's speaking of black metal as a genre and while he's clearly praising Ulver I don't think its right to include it as if it's a statement on the unique prowess of Ulver. here's the quote in context: "I don’t listen to death metal, I listen to black metal. For the average ear it’s unlistenable, but for me the good stuff is as beautiful as Bach is to a classical fan. There’s a real kinda lineage from, say, a composer like Wagner to a band like Ulver or Mayhem."

35.20.205.127 (talk) 17:59, 2 October 2019 (UTC)