Talk:United States Air Forces in Europe – Air Forces Africa

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Neither the article on the U2, nor the RAF Akrotiri article confirms that US U2 planes are based there. Is there any evidence ? Otherwise this USAFE article requires amending in this respect. JRL 07:29, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Our base just had a nine man team of security forces member come back form deployment at Cyprus.

They are there. HQ USAFE still has to deal with their presence. They are assigned to 9 RW at Beale AFB and attached to 401 AEW at Aviano, Italy in support of the Balkans. As soon as the operations in the Balkans are suspended. It is a deployed, rotational unit 1 ERS. ELH50

Correct version seems to be "Berliner Rundfunk"

 * It would appear to me that this is an error "Berliner Radfunk" - the correct name would probably be "Berliner Rundfunk". There is no such German word as Radfunk. This ex-Berliner seems to be remembering "Berliner Rundfunk" from the East. 121.209.56.80 (talk) 04:27, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Ganz richtig. Edited and linked.  --Lineagegeek (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Structure
Would be great if someone could add the 1950s,1970s,etc structure too

... working on it - bwmoll3


 * good article!. now we just need the aircraft type of each unit --Jor70 12:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

This article rocks!, congrats for a well done job. May be a map showing AFB and air forces zones would be a great addition too. --Jor70 13:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

NPOV phrase removed
I removed "— as well as the great good, of course -" from the first sentence of the "Post Cold War era" section since what is good is a subjective choice. ThVa (talk) 09:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Current Operations corrections
ELH50 09:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 352 SOG is an AFSOC tenant unit, not a USAFE unit. (added)
 * 401 AEW was redesignated as the 401 AEG (changed)
 * 16 AEW has been inactivated, likewise Istres is no longer active (removed)
 * Stavanger is a Det of the 426 ABS (changed)
 * 4-digit unit designations are no longer approved for usage by USAF units (removed all)
 * 57 Wing is not a USAFE unit (removed)
 * 85 Group has been inactivated, as has Keflavik (removed)
 * -th, -d, etc are not to be used with abbreviated unit names (i.e. 86th AW), proper form is with out abbreviated bumber suffix (i.e. 86 AW) (changed all)
 * All UK ABGs are subordinates of the 501 CSW based at RAF Mildenhall (added)

Copyvio?
This article seems to be a copyvio ever since this edit which seems to have been copied from the USAFE factsheet at the USAF site. Before reverting I want to give the opportunity to respond, since there may be something special about the text (PD perhaps, like government pictures). - Dammit 13:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Can't be a copyvio if it's a government work, right? Hzoi 16:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Issue has been resolved. Added this staement in the references section:
 * This article includes content from United States Air Forces In Europe website, which as a work of the U.S. Government is presumed to be a public domain resource. That information was supplemented by:

Bwmoll3 18:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Who is "our"?
"Even with the active war in Korea raging, in the early 1950s, Europe received a higher priority of air power than Korea by the Truman Administration and the Department of Defense. Deterring the threat of a Communist takeover of Western Europe was considered more important to our long-term survival than a Communist victory in Korea."

I have a few problems with this statement. The most obvious is "our", but the entire sentence strikes me as POV. If someone could cite official policy that backs this up, or even a statement that would be great. For now ive just changed "our" to "United State's" but I may remove the whole thing as some point in the next week.

Mcspiff 14:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Pershing
Pershing was deployed by the U.S. Army and the Luftwaffe. The USA had 108 launchers and the Germans had 72 launchers. The Germans never upgraded to P2, but they had P1A through the INF retrograde. --— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  17:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Drawdown of forces
http://www.stripes.com/news/europe/raf-mildenhall-to-close-amid-other-europe-consolidations-1.322825

European Air Material Command
This section was removed in error. European Air Materiel Command was part of USAFE, not of Air Force Logistics Command (where the removed material now resides).

The period covered by the material removed, incomplete as it is, is shortly after the end of World War II, based on the few subordinate units listed. At that time, AFLC's predecessor had no responsibility for logistic support in overseas theaters. In 1945 IX Air Service Command was reassigned from Ninth Air Force to what was at the time USSTAF (about the date IX ASC moved to Erlangen). On 7 October 1946, IX ASC was redesignated European Air Materiel Command. It remained assigned to USAFE until it was inactivated on 15 September 1947. The command was disbanded on 8 October 1948.

There may be come confusion with a later organization. On 1 March 1954, Air Materiel Force, European Area was activated at Lindsey Air Station. Like its predecessor, it was assigned to USAFE. However, Air Materiel Command finally attained global responsibility for USAF logistics support, and AMF, European Area was transferred to it on 1 January 1956. AMC moved the force to Chateauroux Air Station in May 1958 and AFLC inactivated in on 1 July 1962. This unit was disbanded on 21 September 1984. --Lineagegeek (talk) 00:14, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Some references: Redesignation of IX ASC and assignment to USAFE  Inactivation of European AMC and transfer of personnel to HHS, USAFE   Disbanding DAF AG Letter 322 (AFOOR 887e), 8 October 1948, Subject: Disbandment of Certain Inactive Air Force Units   Transfer of AMF, Europe from USAFE to AMC  Inactivation and disbanding DAF/MPM Letter 574q, 21 September 1984, Subject: Disbandment of Units  --Lineagegeek (talk) 16:35, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

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Disasters on the Base?
Should there be a section about the Red Army Faction trying to blow up USAFE headquarters in 1981 or the terrible plane crash that happened during an air show in 1988. Both had serious consequences for the operations on the base. Pgraves6690 (talk) 06:01, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

United States Forces, European Theater
Dear after you added this redirect I checked the L&H for USAFE. It goes from ETO to European Command without mention of USFET. I believe thus it is incorrect, and should, if I have the style correct, go ETO (later United States Forces, European Theater). Am I correct, do you think? Buckshot06 (talk) 06:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I think so Although European Theater of Operations, United States Army is unreferenced, and uses the vague word "became" for the transition in names, and AFHRA treats the the 15 March 1947 action as a reassignment between different organizations)  But, here's an extract from L&H HHB/US Army Europe at the CMH website:


 * "Organized 8 January 1942 in England as Headquarters, United States Army Forces in the British Isles
 * Redesignated 8 June 1942 as Headquarters, European Theater of Operations, United States Army
 * Redesignated 1 July 1945 as Headquarters, United States Forces, European Theater
 * Redesignated 15 March 1947 as Headquarters, European Command
 * Redesignated 1 August 1952 as Headquarters, United States Army, Europe
 * Consolidated 17 April 2010 with Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Seventh Army"


 * So, "European Theater of Operations, United States Army (later United States Forces, European Theater; European Command)" would seem correct to me. --Lineagegeek (talk) 15:34, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you believe we are justified in inserting this, utilizing as a ref the CMH lineage for USAREUR? Buckshot06 (talk) 18:10, 10 January 2022 (UTC)