Talk:Universal basic income in the Netherlands

Participation
Is it possible to apply for this as a U.S. citizen? It sounds like an excellent program and I very much want to take part. ChildofMidnight (talk) 09:54, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nou ja, dat is toch ook wat. In de VS klagen over de belastingen om in Nederland je hand op te houden! Daar lusten de honden toch ook geen brood van... Drmies (talk) 16:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Linking to copyright violation.
I've twice now removed a link ref that is a copyright violation of. It wasn't fair use or modest parts "Bescheiden delen" - it was the entire document with no proof of permission. The ref also didn't actually say what the sentence it was reffing said.

Before putting that info back, please find a ref that says that De Groenen is the only Dutch party to support basic income, and ref it to a source that isn't a copyright violation. OTRS. -- Jeandré, 2009-01-08t11:14z
 * Well, the copyright violation section says "If you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work." I have no knowledge that this is in violation of the creator's copyright; if you know more than I do, I'd love to hear about it. Moreover, as I explained on your Talk page, I find it rather unlikely that Vereniging Basisinkomen would not give permission to a political party to endorse its own proposal, esp. since it appears to be the only party that does so. But you're right, I can't *prove* (yet) that it's the only party to endorse that policy, though I have a feeling that you won't think that "the only political party that appears to endorse..." will pass muster. Drmies (talk) 19:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I would just say which party endorsed the idea, and include the positions expressed by any other parties that have been noted as taking a position. Trying to say "only" or "most" or "notable" is usually a bit over the top anyway, and doesn't add much ie. isn't terribly encyclopedic. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but as far as I know they ARE the only party to endorse it... But I'm not married to this article, and while I tried (for half an hour) to verify what I know to be true, I was unable to--and I can't find other parties speaking out on the issue (absence of evidence...). So I'll keep that sentence out: it's not about truth, it's about verifiability, I know, and without that link the only way I can make the claim for De Groenen in the first place is via a very convoluted sentence. But, CoM, there is more to this than meets the eye. Drmies (talk) 00:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The site does not violate copyright, they have permission to show the full publication. The real issue here is that when Wikipedia cites the publication, it should attribute it to the original source, not to the copy. Guido den Broeder (talk, visit) 10:00, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Basic income pilots in Utrecht and other cities...
There will be basic income pilots in Utrecht and other cities, starting in 2015 or 2016. Should be mentioned... --Mats33 (talk) 13:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Not a true basic income, but only for people already on welfare. They get to keep money that they may earn (within limits, I presume) and have less obligations. The topic seems hot though at the moment. Rothly (talk) 10:43, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, I also think its not going to be a true basic income. But they describe it in the press and media as a basic income pilot. --Mats33 (talk) 16:58, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

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