Talk:University of Arkansas/Archive 1

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could you possibly add the following names to the Distinguished Lecture and Headliner Series: Jay Pharoh (comedy act in Fall 2011) Sarah Colonna (comedy act in Spring 2012) Kid Cudi (concert Spring 2012)

thanks! (royalsfan93) 15:51, Sept. 18, 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Royalsfan93 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

older comments
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Arkansas A&M?
I'm researching a reference made to an "Arkansas A&M". Am I in the right place? &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 20:57, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * There is no Arkansas A&M that I know of, this is the U of A. There is a Texas A&M --The_stuart 21:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that Arkansas A&M is the old name for University of Arkansas at Monticello, if I'm not mistaken! InvictaHOG 03:42, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, Arkansas A&M is indeed the old name of University of Arkansas at Monticello. Wikipedia Link University Link Cardsplayer4life 07:39, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

You may be trying to find Arkansas Agricultural Mechanical and Normal School (A. M. & N.) the old name for what is now University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff.

Removed text copied verbatim from university website
The entire "history" section was a verbatim copy from

http://www.uark.edu/rd_vcad/urel/publications/profile/2003/525.htm

and as such as a copyright violation. I have removed it; please do not reinsert it. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Added a new history section created from scratch. (Cardsplayer4life 19:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC))


 * As far as I'm concerned, it's not a copyright violation any more, so you fixed the problem, but personally I'd call it a "paraphrase" of the university's website, not "created from scratch." Dpbsmith (talk) 22:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * P. S. If you happen to be at the University of Arkansas, or for that matter at any big university, it might not be too hard to get your hands on a copy of Reynolds, John Hugh and Davis Yancey Thomas (1910), "History of the University of Arkansas," University of Arkansas Press, Fayetteville, 1910. Used book dealers at www.abebooks.com seem to want $35 and $40 for a used copy, too bad, that's too pricey for casual curiosity... Dpbsmith (talk) 23:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool, sorry I should not have used the word "scratch", I meant I typed it all, but yes I did use the other one as a reference since it is all factual info. I added a bit more to it now, as well as some other edits. (Cardsplayer4life 03:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC))


 * Good, keep it up, Go Razorbacks etc. Dpbsmith (talk) 11:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Inconsistancies/difficulties with known facts
Primarily, the problem of the article I found resides in the History and Founding section of the article on the University of Arkansas. The statement that "The University is both the major land-grant university for Arkansas and the state university" is both somewhat opinionated, as far as the part of the university being the "major land-grant university," and patently untrue, as far as being "the state university". Arkansas does not have a single, unified university system. Articles in the Wikipedia prove the non-unified nature of the Arkansas state (read public) universities, when considering Arkansas State University, Southern Arkansas University, University of Central Arkansas, and Henderson State University. These four institutions are all state-supported institutions, but they are also not University of Arkansas System universities.

There is ambiguity on the relationship between The University of Arkansas (at Fayetteville) with the university now known as the University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff. Yes, U of A is the oldest land-grant institution in Arkansas, but not the only one, and it was created under the Morrill Act of 1864. And yes, at the inception of Branch Normal College in 1873 in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, it was an extension of the Normal Department of the Arkansas Industrial University (AIU). But it seems to be inferred that Branch Normal College split away from then AIU to become Arkansas AM&N circa 1875, and later became a land-grant institution under the Morrill Act of 1890. The information is hard to find from other online sources, as even the history page that UAPB's site (http://www.uapb.edu/history/milestones.html) does not make mention of an independent board for the school until 1927. The fact that the institution was made a land-grant institution under the Morrill Act of 1890 illuminates that there are two land-grant institutions in Arkansas, and should underscore the socio-econmic and cultural difficulties that had to have been encountered by a predominantly 'white' institution, the then AIU, administering a predominantly 'black' school, which was Branch Normal College, in the Southern United States between the years of the end of the Civil War to the beginning of the Civil Rights era in the 1960's because the two entities were not created at the same time by the same Act of Congress.

The use of the word 'major' in the opening statement of the history and founding section of the University of Arkansas is thus somewhat polarizing, obliquely suggesting that the second land-grant institution in Arkansas has failed to produce graduates of such important note as has been produced in the U of Arkansas' history. A better word to replace 'major' would be 'oldest' - as it's a objectively true fact, versus the subjectively true, or opinionated, fact of the U of A being the "major land-grant institution in Arkansas". Even the phrase "flagship university of the UA System" would be preferable, as it is the first and oldest university in the University of Arkansas System.

Arkansas AM&N did join (or rejoin) the U of A System in 1972, but, the U of A System did not exist before 1911, per se, as documented at http://www.uasys.edu/about.html. The U of A System appears to have been created as a tool for the administering of the non-profit Medical Sciences School in Little Rock by the University of Arkansas. It is conjecture to think that this tool was a result of lessons learned with administering Branch Normal College back in the time period between 1873 to 1927, but perhaps it may not be unreasonable to pose the conjecture, considering the racial tensions of the times.

All that said, the State of Arkansas placed the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville. Every other institution in Arkansas is either a satellite, or a junior institution.


 * I believe I was able to address and fix all of your concerns. (Cardsplayer4life 19:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC))


 * Yes, I think you have. Thanks.


 * (There are a few mechanical dotting-i's-crossing-t's that need to be cleaned up with e.g. the hog call ref not matching up with any note and so forth... I always find that a royal pain and quite difficult to get right myself...) Dpbsmith (talk) 22:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Minor Old Main Issues
I included information that classes were still held in Old Main, as it wasn't readily apparent in the current information. Having indulged myself in a recent history of the school, I'm quite sure that the first classes were held in the old McIlroy farm house, before Old Main was constructed. So the statement, "first held" was not accurate. I do plan to come back shortly, with the book in hand, so I can expand the history section of the school. RebelAt 06:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Terrific, thanks for the input. (Cardsplayer4life 21:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC))

Flagship Campus
This campus (the one located in Fayetteville, Arkansas) is considered to be the main (or flagship) campus of the University of Arkansas system, and I therefore feel justified in making the changes associated with that status. Here are a few references, I can provide more if needbe. (Cardsplayer4life 17:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC))

Fan Message Boards
The moderators are deleting fan sites in external links as spam. Please comment as to whether or not you believe fan sites hould be allowed as external links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ermackey3 (talk • contribs)
 * Your link is clearly violative of WP:SPAM and WP:EL, particularly because you're mass-adding it. --Nlu (talk) 02:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Moderators and posters on rival message boards are deleting and adding links in some sort of flame war. If they can't be adults, delete them all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.178.80.219 (talk) 02:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

you must be work for AD for life if you are deleting the people's message boards.Don't be afraid of the truth.

I mass-added it because we cover all sports teams in Arkansas - including the University of Arkansas. I added it to every team we cover IN ARKANSAS ONLY. You are being biased by defining a rule that fan sites are spam and then changing the justification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ermackey3 (talk • contribs)
 * Whether you agree or not, Wikipedia rules are rules. If you don't want to play by them, you'll be blocked indefinitely. --Nlu (talk) 18:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

We are only talking here. No need for threats. Your initial justification for deleting my link was that the site I added was spam. Now that you have been notified that other fan sites have been listed, you justify the deletion due to frequency. This means that the content was ok. Therefore, since the content is ok and I have notified you that the frequency of my link posting was because we are a fan board for multiple Arkansas teams can we repost the link or do I need to start arbitration?

Notable Alumni
Mullins was never chancellor at North Carolina State University. as the linked article states, JT Caldwell (whose portrait hangs in Holladay Hall on campus) left Arkansas to lead NCSU. you all might want to amend that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.110.58.225 (talk) 07:22, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Scott Fendley was added under the "Notable Alumni" section on 4/29/2006 at 03:58 from IP address 70.178.185.53 (hostname: ip70-178-185-53.ks.ks.cox.net). This IP address has the following information associated with it:  Cox Communications Inc. NETBLK-COX-ATLANTA-10 (NET-70-160-0-0-1) 70.160.0.0 - 70.191.255.255 Cox Communications NETBLK-WI-RDC-70-178-0-0 (NET-70-178-0-0-1) 70.178.0.0 - 70.178.255.255

Scott Fendley was removed from the "Notable Alumni" section on 9/6/2006 at 09:46 (a reign of almost 5 months) by registered user Tomkeene with no comment.

As someone who knows Scott, I can attest that he is not a "Notable Alumnus" any more than the other graduates of his class, and I agree with his removal. This addition to the Talk page simply serves to document the incident, since the edit logs don't show any comments.

This is the information added by the user from 70.178.185.53:

 Scott Fendley -- IT security researcher and incident handler of the Internet Storm Center 

There was also a disingenuous Scott Fendley article which has since been removed. Can you say self-aggrandizement?

Error in Name of Alumnus
There seems to be an error in this citation of a very distinguished alumnus. I believe his name is actually Loy Edgar Barton. In the 1920s, Loy Barnett, an engineering graduate student at the University of Arkansas, set forth the principle of high-level Class B plate modulation for radio transmission and developed the technology that allowed small- and medium-size AM radio stations to flourish across the United States. Barnett later joined RCA and continued research on broadcast technology into the 1960s.

To not have this correct in such a location as this, adds insult to a brilliant but humble man who has never received due recognition for his accomplishments. Please consult this link, Loy Barton, a Forgotten Radio Pioneer at Though I signed on operator logs of KUOA at the JBU location in 1953-54, I suggest that one of the regular editors here make the actual correction and possibly an amplification. Obee1 (talk) 19:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Fightin' Texas Aggie Band
There is a quote over at Fightin' Texas Aggie Band and Talk:Fightin' Texas Aggie Band that is a bit disparaging to this University's band. Can someone here verify its accuracy?

Specifically: "In 1975, at a televised game versus the University of Arkansas, the Aggie Band was repeatedly asked to play music during lulls in the game. By the fourth quarter, the Aggie Band had played on TV during every break and Colonel Haney, trying his best to be fair, told the cameraman that they really should let the Razorback Band play a little too. The cameraman called up to the broadcast booth to get guidance and then replied, "The director doesn't want to hear the Arkansas band, he wants to hear the Aggie Band."[1] The only reference is an aggie publication. ThreeE 20:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, never heard that before. Sounds highly suspect to me. Cardsplayer4life 10:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you honestly think you are going to find someone who remembers that game and was sitting close enough to the band to hear this?
 * This question is in violation of the talk page guidelines and should be removed. — BQZip01 —  talk 13:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Lets not drag your and ThreeE's conflict over here, shall we? As ThreeE is simply seeking out if someone can verify or disclaim a fact that those who pay attention to the University of Arkansas' article might know, I see nothing wrong with the post. As Arkansas is particular to the question at hand, it sounds entirely reasonable. I am tempted to contact the head of the Arkansas band department and see if they can offer any insight. That said, as a Razorback, I'm not too insulted when a director, whose probably a Texan, makes a defamatory remark towards Arkansas. No one wants to hear another state's band play better than your own. [totally unsubstantiated claim]. :) ~ (The Rebel At) ~  22:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair 'nuff. I was just trying to keep the discussion over there. If you guys want to assist, then, by all means, hope to hear from you soon. — BQZip01 —  talk 05:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Campus type designation
It appears to me that the Campus type designations used on various university pages ("Urban", "Suburban", or "College Town") lack any objective criteria for classification. For example, Fayetteville, Arkansas, home of the University of Arkansas, is classified as a "college town", whereas College Station, Texas, home of Texas A&M, is classified as "urban." Fayetteville is part of a metropolitan statistical area that has a population of over 400,000 people. And that area is home to many businesses, including two of the largest corporations in America (Wal-Mart and Tyson), so it is hardly "dominated" by the University of Arkansas. On the other hand, College Station, Texas' MSA has a population of only approximately 200,000. I would suggest that these classifications, until they can be better defined, should not be used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.48.250.150 (talk) 23:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fayetteville, is indeed, a college town. While its part of a metropolitan area (Northwest Arkansas), that area is not one consistent urban environment. Indeed, it is anything but until you reach Rogers/Bentonville. Fayetteville does run contiguous with Springdale, but even then, it is easily understood and comprehended as being a "college town." ~ (The Rebel At) ~  21:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Your comment just proves all the more my point - that there is no objective definition of any of these categories. What is meant by "one consistent urban environment"? Also, you've apparently either never been to Northwest Arkansas or not been there in a long time. There is pretty much constant urbanization from Fayetteville to Bentonville. And back to my original observation: why is U of A in a "college town" whereas Texas A&M, in College Station, Texas, is apparently in an "urban" setting? I've been to both and Northwest Arkansas is considerably more "urbanized" than is College Station. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.48.249.171 (talk) 11:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I live and attend the law school there. Nice try. A "consistent urban environment" denotes the fact that there are no cow pastures and fields and woods in between the respective cities of the metropolitan area. Driving north from Fayetteville on 540 to Rogers-Bentonville, reveals quite a bit of open land. A college town is essentially defined as a small town or city with a large university. Fayetteville is not a big city. It is a small city. If you wish to argue about what a college town is, check out its article or go to the WikiProject Universities, who established the format of the infobox and argue there. It'd be much more productive than arguing the fact at one specific university page. Lastly, this argument seems better suited to Texas A&M's page, versus Arkansas'. ~ (The Rebel At) ~ 12:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note, I've replied to your deleted comment on your anonymous IP address' talk page. Thanks. ~ (The Rebel At) ~  15:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The categorization of college campus types isn't subjective in the sense that we get to decide what to call it on wikipedia. The National Center for Education Statistics categorizes universities into the "rural", "college town", "urban", etc. labels based off criteria it defines at each census. The University of Arkansas was actually mis-categorized as "rural" in 2000 due to a zip code issue that has since been resolved. I noticed it a year ago when I was working on some fact sheets for the University and contacted the NCES about this since other universities in smaller towns and areas were categorized differently than Arkansas was. They reviewed it and told me there had been an error and it would be fixed. How it went unnoticed for 9 years, I don't know, but it has since been rectifies, and "College Town" is indeed the correct category. Thanks for your work on this. User: mmcnell —Preceding undated comment added 04:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC).

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Reference named "integration": From Harding University:  From History of the University of Arkansas: https://news.uark.edu/articles/9136/before-little-rock-successful-arkansas-school-integration From Magic Johnson: "Detroit Board's Busing Decision Termed 'Unwise.'" The Argus-Press [Ann Arbor, Michigan], July 12, 1973. Google News Archives. Retrieved May 27, 2013</li> </ul>

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WP:BALASP concerns
This page looks to be wildly imbalanced. I understand that traditions, Greek life, and athletics are a big part of campus life at the university (as they are at many universities), but to have a level-2 section on Greek life but no level-2 section on academics? And to have a 13-paragraph section on athletics and 12-paragraph section on traditions? These sections need to be massively trimmed and spun off into separate articles. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 06:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)