Talk:University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill/Archive 1

Old discussion
This page needs more quality pictures of campus landmarks. Auge 07:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Need to add a places of interest and a traditions section with entries like, the old well, the YMCA, Hinton James, University Day, and Halloween


 * Reid 08:50, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Is the University of Pittsburgh properly listed in a discussion of the oldest state university? I think "state university" usually means a public institution that uses the state's name. JamesMLane 02:15, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * A "state university" is a university funded by the state and a division of the state government. In North Carolina, several of the pubicly funded "state" universities don't have "North Carolina" in the name (e.g. Western Carolina University, Elizabeth City State University, Fayetteville State University). Pittsburgh was private until the 1960's (as the article notes) but is now publicly (government) supported and is thus a "state university." -- Seth Ilys 02:22, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I find the following info on Pitt's website : "A private, state-related, nonsectarian institution, the University receives an annual appropriation from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and income from endowments, tuition, gifts, grants, sponsored research, clinical activities, and private sources. ...  The state-related designation provides state funds for the University's general operating budget; it makes the University eligible for state facility construction grants; yet it permits the University to remain legally a private entity and to retain most of the freedom and individuality of a private institution...." I don't think a private institution can be considered a state university. Even if it were, it doesn't seem a candidate for "oldest," given that the same site says that the former Pittsburgh Academy "achieved university status in 1819." JamesMLane 02:46, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * It's debatable... I think that you've hit at one of the points of the dispute (which is, at the very least, is worth noting). Perhaps you could refine/clarify the relevant paragraph in light of this information? -- Seth Ilys 02:48, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Oh! I see what you mean.... William and Mary predates it, even by founding. (Looking around a little more). -- Seth Ilys 02:50, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * You're absolutely right. I've removed Pittsburgh from the paragraph, as it clearly isn't even in contention. -- Seth Ilys 02:54, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Now all we need is an explanation of why anyone should care which school wins this title. But I can tell you that there are people at UNC who do care. :) JamesMLane 02:58, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Folks, I'm going to take some steps toward making this page compliant with the Wikiproject Universities project template. Speak now or forever hold your peace. . . I don't intend to make any factual changes here - the info is all good. I'm just going to put it in a standardized order. See University of the Philippines Diliman for an example.

Reid 05:01, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Dialectic and Philanthropic Societies
Problem with merging the Dialectic and Philanthropic societies pages with the UNC page- the societies' history is too extensive and the importance to UNC is too great to limit it to part of UNC's page. To place DiPhi on par with, say, Student Government (which DiPhi, was for a solid century and then helped create the existing structure) is simply rude. Check the inside cover of any library text from UNC and you'll see one of the dozens of reasons why the societies deserve their own page.

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I agree. Di-Phi is a very old institution, with a lot of history and dozens of famous alumni. I can easily see the Di-Phi page becoming very large and informative. Merging is a bad idea. CarolinianJeff 16:04, 22 Jun 2006 (UTC)

1924 "Championship"
It seems to me that every attempt to marginalize the 1924 Helms choice is awkward. The section doesn't say "NCAA Championships". Plenty of schools are credited with football "championships" from the AP, which isn't associated with the NCAA. The Helms foundation was prestigious enough for UNC to put up a banner, why can't WP give it the same credit? -Jcbarr 03:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

The helms foundation wasn't nearly as "prestigious" as the AP. Carolina didn't even play outside of the southeast that year, in 1924 the midwest was dominating basketball. The next year when Carolina ventured outside of the southeast they got creamed.

First off, great grammar. Secondly, the Helms Foundation was the #1 barometer for polls in 1924. There were the relative equivalent of the AP for that time period. Therefore, I am in complete agreement with Jcbarr that the 1924 Championship should be included with the other four.

This argument is superfluous. The school itself claims that the 1924 Championship counts so no matter what you personally think, it will always be listed. You're pretty much arguing that all basketball before the NCAA should be erased from history because it isn't prestigious enough. Call up the UNC Athletic Director, I'm sure he will be interested. Just don't edit war over our championships.

So can we agree to keep this championship in the page? Right now no one can fix or add to the entire page because some one can't agree on one stupid topic. --ArchonMeld 5:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's worse than that -- the page is blocked because of some NC State fans' vandalism got the page put on semi-protected. Then some new user asked for access to get around the semi-protection and an admin read that as a request for full-protect.  And no admin will react to the request for unprotection because "we aren't having a conversation here about how to resolve the edit war" (which never existed). -Jcbarr 23:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well we have this which was made by a user who said that he was acting in good faith. Several vandals similarily were replacing "higher" with "lower". ArchonMeld did not point out that he was trying to make good edits until after it was semi-protected, so it was fully-protected, since he was unable to edit while the person who reverted him was...which is not how it works...since he is not a vandal. Now perhaps his edits just got caught up in the mix of things and got reverted...so I am unprotecting. Hopefully you two can agree was SAT score numbers to put of there. Voice  -of-  All T 23:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Read the history, dude. The incorrect version (I assume because it is what keeps getting reverted) is here by an anon IP. ArchonMeld just got caught up in the middle of it and didn't know how to ask for what he wanted. -Jcbarr 00:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking at the history for the sixth time (6th times a charm)...it seems that he did not edit the SAT scores...but that his edits were just blanket reverted, maybe by accident. This article would have been unprotected long ago if someone clearly pointed that out. Oh well...its open now. Voice -of-  All T 04:49, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Can we stop edit warring over the stupid 1924 championship....there is an entire paragraph devoted to it to clear things out....STOP CHANGING IT ArchonMeld 03:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm...lets see here our are vandal locations:
 * North Carolina Research and Education Network
 * North Carolina State University
 * Road Runner-Commercial; 13241 Woodland Park Road
 * Just so you know. Voice -of-  All T 05:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

We all go to NC State...--Thunder 15:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I think more photographs from campus should be included in the article. Not overkill, rather a few crisp shots that evoke the feeling you get walking down Polk Place or while in Wilson Library.

Campus Y
It's not the Campus YMCA. The organization disaffiliated from the YMCA and YWCA in the 60s in 70s over disagreements on the Vietnam Issue. While the building has YMCA on it (it's 100 years old and can't be changed), the organization has nothing to do with the YMCA. The organization's name is the Campus Y.

Sports and Athletics
Shouldn't there be a separate UNC Athletics page? There are quite a few universities with separate Wiki pages to inform about their athletics programs. UNC, between its excellence in men's basketball and women's soccer, and to a lesser extent football, women's basketball, and baseball, is one of the preeminent institutions for college sports. (Sugar Daddy 22:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC))

Re:Sports and Athletics
There should be a separate page for the athletics, it seems long. Someone summarize it on this page and then create a new page just for the athletics.

UNC Userbox
Hey, if any of yall have attended or are currently students at Carolina put this in your user page.

Squadoosh 00:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * To add this box and join the category, add User UNC to your user page. Benstrider 23:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Coordinate Links
Changed coordinates links from (double-brackets)geolinks-US-hoodscale|35.913056|-79.056111(double-brackets) to (double-brackets)Mapit-US-streetscale|35.913056|-79.056111(double-brackets) in order to get coordinates to show at the top of the article. As a result, a few related coordinate links were removed and a couple new links added. I did that because having both resulted also in a couple duplicate links. Comments? Verad 22:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Carowhina
Much better. Thanks for the extra work. Dubc0724 00:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Student Arson
Besides being written with a chip-on-the-shoulder, is an op-ed in the Daily Tar Heel substantive enough of a source for such heavy accusations? If it really happens as frequently as the editor would hope to convey, a real news story shouldn't be hard to dig up. Hopefully someone can weigh in. Thanks Dubc0724 12:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I took out two items in this section. (1) The thing about Maryland was irrelevant and was written in such a heavy-handed way as to not be encyclopedic, were it relevant. Are we going to start listing how celebrations that get out-of-hand are covered by the media at NCAA schools throughout the country?  What's the point, other than hoping to get to put something negative in the article of your school's rival? (2) I also deleted the thing about

"Fortunately, this is not a trend...". That's a bit weasely and POV. Also the source for that was an op-ed in the Daily Tar Heel.


 * Hopefully this edit has balanced the article out. The incident after the Duke game has been amply addressed in the article.  Let's move on. Dubc0724 12:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * My mistake, I was trying to bring it closer to a NPOV, and was trying not to tick off the other guy too much, but I am still an amateur editor -_- Any further comments about any of my edits, before now or in the future, would be appreciated. Verad 17:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No harm done at all. I just thought this was a fair compromise.  We're all amateurs here, so feel free to make edits as you see fit.  Thanks! Dubc0724 17:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Daily Tar Heel Online - One of the oldest?
I removed Duke53's Fact tag for this reason: If Chico was the first online newspaper in '94 and the Daily Tar Heel began offering online content less than a year later, wouldn't you say that puts the DTH on the early end of the spectrum? Especially given the historical context of the evolution of the Internet? There had to be only a handful of schools with online papers in the mid-90s.

Additionally, if anyone out there has any better sources, please be bold and add them as well. Thanks, Dubc0724 19:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Do we have any way of knowing how many other school newspapers went online in that time span? What is the cutoff point for being 'one of the first' ? " There had to be " simply isn't good enough. If you would call them 'one of the early adopters' or similar it would be more accurate. The way it reads now they are getting credit for something that may or may not be true. I will put the tag back in, since someone else might have a source. "Duke53 | Talk" 01:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Common sense would lead us to believe that DTH was among the first, but you're right, where's the cut-off? Honestly, the claim doesn't really matter to me.  It wasn't my edit; I was just trying to find a source as requested.  As far as I'm concerned, you can just delete it pending someone coming up with a better, more concrete source.  Thanks Dubc0724 02:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Template request
I think it would be good to create a template just for UNC. I would do this, but I haven't yet figured out how to make quality templates. Remember 02:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

University History
From what I've read, I'm pretty sure that UNC was the second public university to be chartered (after the University of Georgia), but was the first to open to students. If there are other sources that conflict with that please list them here. Also, the talk about the other "claims" seems to be irrelevant to the section it's in (History [of UNC]), and I think that the entire section needs to be reworked. If there are any sources that you would like me to take a look at for inclusion, please list them here. Verad 16:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Not that I'm out to get these into the article, but...
Two major violent events have occurred that involved UNC in the last 15 years, and neither is referred to here at all. I don't so much seek to get them into the article itself as to see to it that anyone who hears of them and comes to this article for info is pointed to the correct place. What can we do to make sure that happens for the following events?
 * January 1995: Wendell Williamson, UNC law student, begins shooting a rifle on nearby Hillsborough Street, killing two and wounding others. He is later found to have been schizophrenic and delusional. (Amazingly, there's no article on him at all; this is especially surprising since he later successfully sued his former UNC-CH psychiatrist for medical malpractice. There was a later appeal, but I don't know how it turned out.) It's not technically a school massacre, because it took place off campus, but the event and Williamson are indelibly associated with the school.
 * March 2006: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar drives a Jeep Cherokee into "The Pit" with the goal "to retaliate against United States taxpayers ... for their responsibility in the evictions, tortures, and killings of Allah's followers in the Middle East and Guantanamo Bay naval base in Cuba" (quote from Taheri-azar's letter to a Daily Tar Heel reporter), injuring nine people.


 * Good points. I had totally forgotten about the Wendell Williamson event.  I think they could both be mentioned somewhere in the article. Dubc0724 20:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

You are correct. To find the published statistics, check out the official site below:

http://www.admissions.unc.edu/academics/factsandfigures.htm