Talk:Upper Peninsula of Michigan

Notable landmark
It is one of the largest known stone arch bridges in Michigan. Stone arch bridges, e.g., Indian Lake Road Stone Arch Bridge, are a relatively rarity in Michigan. I gave up starting articles when they took away my access to WP:DYK. It merits an article, but I choose not to be that horse. I also choose not to edit war over its inclusion here. You pays your money you takes your chances. Actions have consequences. Arbitrary actions get a cold shoulder from me. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 12:31, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @7&6=thirteen: please get over yourself and remove the unneeded commentary. Your "woe is me" schtick is wearing very old very quickly. It does nothing to further collaboration, and in fact, it probably drives people away. The only thing preventing you from creating an article that you feel should exist is you, and if you don't want to do it, trying to guilt trip others into doing it for you is unbecoming. Please amend your comments above to further collaboration and drop the stick.  Imzadi 1979  →   17:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Fix the issue in the article.
 * Collaboration has always been my goal.
 * You could improve the article, but apparently that it too much to ask. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 18:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @7&6=thirteen: I'm doubtful on the notability of this one bridge, which is why I removed it from this article originally. (I've left the inclusion of it stand at Bessemer Township, Michigan, but the concerns here are going to apply there and will need to be resolved at some point to keep it in that article.) A few points of concern:
 * The entries on the list of landmarks all have articles. That's been a traditional barrier for inclusion on such lists, that each have a stand-alone article already. Why are we going around that guideline with this proposed entry?
 * This bridge is not on the National Register of Historic Places, nor is it listed as a Michigan State Historic Site. There are several other bridges in the UP that have been listed, so why are we singling out this one for inclusion in a list of landmarks? It feels out of place.
 * The paragraph above is out of place in a bulleted list of landmarks when nothing else in the list has a paragraph. Now, they all have blue links, so a paragraph is not needed, so this only points back to #1 above.
 * The are five citations for the paragraph above. Three of them are self-published, one of which restates content from one of the other SPSs. One of the citations is not about this bridge, leaving just an entry in a book for notability.
 * Creating a new article on the subject would require confronting these issues and broadening a search for better sourcing.  Imzadi 1979  →   19:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, there's a bigger issue I just discovered at Bessemer Township, Michigan. The version of the paragraph there lifts its first two sentences from the Hyde source without quotation. The version here has that same issue. The third sentence above is sourced to SPSs, and the fourth is sourced to a document about another bridge entirely. Removing the two problematic sentences and the third sourced to unusable sources left a single sentence that's incoherent without the rest.  Imzadi 1979  →   19:45, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Nope. Your are wrong, and your bias is showing.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 03:09, 6 June 2023 (UTC)