Talk:Urdd Gobaith Cymru

Rewriting
Needs re-write. This is about the Eisteddfod Yr Urdd, not the Urdd itself... -- Picapica 12:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed. All the same information except two of the locations is in the eisteddfod article anyway. I'll see what I can find, but feel free to beat me to it :) Telsa 13:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Hope it's a little better now, but it really needs someone who has been involved with it to balance it out. I'm not sure the emphases in it are right: still too much about the competitions, perhaps? Telsa 18:23, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

That's great, Telsa: there's now plenty for others to amplify and re-arrange if they wish!

I did do a bit of research myself, but have been off sick for the last few days, and anyway you've provided a lot more info than I had available. As for all the competitions, well from my (second-hand) experience (Welsh-school attending relatives) and visits to the Eisteddfodau (which are very well attended) I think that competition DOES occupy a very central part of the Urdd's culture! -- Picapica 15:54, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

The name
Is "The Welsh League of Youth" what the Urdd calls itself in English? Because the article reads like it's supposed to be a translation of the Welsh name. 66.92.237.111 18:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Normally known in English language conversations as "the Urdd." Gwaka Lumpa 22:47, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Right, I thought so, but shouldn't the article begin "Urdd Gobaith Cymru, the Order of Hope of Wales, is..." or something like that? Where does this "Welsh League of Youth" come from? 66.92.237.111 22:51, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I imagine the reluctance to use the translation comes from the fascistic tone of the English translation, a feeling which is completely absent in Welsh. "Order of Hope of Wales" is literally correct, but never used.  Gwaka Lumpa 10:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Any comment on my latest solution? Gwaka Lumpa 16:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me! Diolch. 66.92.237.111 19:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Excuse my butting in a few years down the line...! I've always been under the impression that "Gobaith" in this context shouldn't be translated literally as "Hope", but in that the Youth of the country is that country's hope for the future. i.e., Yr Urdd is the "Order of - the hope of Wales" rather than the "Order of hope - of Wales". As with most translations, the literal translation often makes no sense - so I see no need for the literal translation to be present here? 128.232.241.127 (talk) 10:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

And a decade or two later... I haven't come across this word "urdd" in other contexts (I'm a Welsh learner) but my dictionary says "order" as mentioned above. Which is a word with many meanings in English, but none approximating closely to "society" as one might imagine from the context. Other references in the dictionary focus on ideas of "rank" or "dignity", which makes one think of the OBE or a knighthood, and that doesn't make much sense either. But maybe it's a different sort of "order": is it simply a word for "organisation" in this case? There surely needs to be a better explanation in the article! Deipnosophista (talk) 08:47, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Now a stub?
Someone has added the Wales-stub template to the article. Why? What needs expansion? More about the campsites? (I know there is more that could be said.) Is there something we completely lack at the moment? A note here would be helpful. --Telsa 09:29, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

merge Mistar Urdd here
It's a single-source article about the same topic-merger would make both articles stronger.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:57, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, it doesn't make sense to have two seperate articles. LoudLizard (📞 | contribs | ✉) 19:36, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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