Talk:Utsuls

Hanzi
What are the Chinese characters for Utsul? I can't find it online. Badagnani 07:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Best translation is probably "海南回族", which is pretty bad, literally means Hainan Hui people. --Voidvector (talk) 09:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, what's your source for this? Is there no transliteration of the word "Utsul"? Badagnani (talk) 17:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

There are Chinese characters for Utsul: 回輝人. And their language: 回輝語. See also Tsat language. --216.254.161.128 (talk) 00:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Why Hui?
Why are the Utsul classified as Hui? Are they Muslim, like many Cham? Badagnani 07:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The Chinese government classifies them as Hui for classification purposes since the Chinese officially recognizes 56 ethnic groups. Abstrakt 06:35, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah probably because they're Muslim. Who knows why the Chinese government classifies ethnic groups the way they do, when it comes to the smaller groups. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:23, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

"However, the Chinese government defines a 'Hui' person as any person practicing the Muslim faith." This is not true - many Muslims belong to Turkic-speaking Uighur, Kazakh, Kirghiz, and other recognized ethnic minorities. "Hui" generally, not not always, refers to Chinese-speaking Muslims. 19:01, 2 November 2009 (UTC)entenman

Etymology
Is this group related to the Hutsuls? Badagnani (talk) 19:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know nor can't say they are anyway related to the Hutsuls in eastern Europe, being 5,000 miles away. Utsuls are not classified in the Malayo-Polynesian language family, they are regarded as either a language isolate being way south in Hainan, or an alternative theory is the Utsul are possible cousins of the Uralic-Altaic ethnolinguistic groups of Central Asia, Mongolia, Manchuria of northern China and even further in Siberia. I doubt they are Turkic (i.e. the Turks) or Mon-Khmer (i.e. the Thai), except the Utsul share a deeper cultural tie with the peoples of Southeast Asia than with the Cantonese in mainland China. + 71.102.7.77 (talk) 08:45, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Utsul history on hainan
They are also known by the name Tsat.

http://books.google.com/books?id=MBGYb84A7SAC&pg=PA228#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://youtube.com/user/yousoh

Rajmaan (talk) 04:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Utsul history
http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA104#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=w7AqZR1ZUZgC&pg=PA45#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Utsul language is more related to the Chamic Montagnard Jarai and Rhade langauges than it is to mainstream Cham.

http://books.google.com/books?id=yaeESYegRXMC&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=abu+hasan+greek+rose+water+champa&source=bl&ots=iNUYKUvpjb&sig=gax8I5zL7OEAGOLzhSR3zOa1cR8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=l2LFUPHLM-PV0gGZ9oGYDA&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=abu%20hasan%20greek%20rose%20water%20champa&f=false

Page 247

http://books.google.com/books?id=WH0OAAAAYAAJ&q=This+fall+of+the+capital+in+982+accounts+for+the+refugees+mentioned+in+the+Chinese+dynastic+records+of+986+(History+of+the+Song+Dynasty+(960-1279),+which+records+in+986+the+arrival+of+some+Cham+in+Hainan+from&dq=This+fall+of+the+capital+in+982+accounts+for+the+refugees+mentioned+in+the+Chinese+dynastic+records+of+986+(History+of+the+Song+Dynasty+(960-1279),+which+records+in+986+the+arrival+of+some+Cham+in+Hainan+from

Rajmaan (talk) 05:46, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Two articles from Bitter Winter
Here are two articles from Bitter Winter:


 * https://bitterwinter.org/sanya-chams-muslim-minority-in-hainan/
 * https://bitterwinter.org/now-they-come-for-the-utsuls-sinicizing-another-muslim-minority/

Thanks for considering. --Apisite (talk) 06:08, 30 November 2020 (UTC)