Talk:Vanessa Lachey

IMSCF Syndrome
Its pretty clear that Vannessa is like the majority of Filipinos in America trying to publicily announce theyre roots away from asia. Check out IMSCF Syndrome on wikipedia.

Yepp she IS in fact Filipino. Here's a link to a picture of her and her family http://archives.charleston.net/org/fcc/TeenUSA1.jpeg. She was also on the cover or the Filipino mag called "Filipinas " and was interviewed.

she is half Filipino/white why is it hard for poeple to accept.

Why I replaced the photo
I replaced the image, so we can use a public-domain one. It's best to do this now, than wait, and find it suddenly deleted at a later date. I do realize this new picture isn't her "prettiest", so if a better PD/GFDL one is found, that would be great. --rob 22:55, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

does anybody know her ancestory? i can't find any info on the internet, but people keep putting her on different lists. thank you. Colorfulharp233 01:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Polynesian, Not Filipino
I've corrected Minnillo's ancestry. She has explicitly said in an interview (cited) that her mother is Polynesian. Googling the "Filipino mother" thing, all I could find are second-rate trivia sites that can't be used as sources anyway. A few sites refer to her as "Filipino American", almost certainly because she was born in the Phillippines. I'm guessing the assumption that her mother is Filipino came from her birth place. Mad Jack 01:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Who says, "Polynesian" when identifying? I know Samoans tend to abuse that term but they usually use it in reference to a trait possibly linked to a Polynesian trait, rarely as an identity itself  If her mother is Polynesian, why don't they use the real term?  That's like saying "human".  Mamoahina 05:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I reverted your edits, Jack. Vanessa Minnillo goofed up. Her mother, Helen Berecero, is not Polynesian. She's a native of Leyte. Berecero isn't even a "Polynesian" surname. My explanation is that young Filipino Americans believe that they are Pacific Islanders or Polynesian. And that's not even the case. I found another interview with her where she talks about her Filipino roots. --Chris S. 06:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe her mother was born in Leyte but is of Polynesian descent? I could see that as a plausible explanation. She's said that she's "half Polynesian" in two interview this year now, so I dunno Mad Jack 06:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But Bercero isn't a Polynesian name, but a Filipino (well, Spanish) last name. --Chris S. 06:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I never heard of Polynesians going to the Philippines and as I said before, Polynesians don't refer to themselves as Polynesian. Mamoahina 13:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well OK, we don't go by last names Mad Jack 06:22, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I think we should add that Minnillo has described her mother as "Polynesian", since that's the case, regardless of how accurate she was (i.e. have both that and her mother being Filipino in there) Mad Jack 06:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, that sounds fine. --Chris S. 06:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll agree with that. Saying that is what she said according to that article. Mamoahina 13:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of the last name rule, but that's something that should be taken into account. Anyway, when I have time (not anytime soon), I'll go to the library in the city and hunt down the Filipinas Magazine issue where she is on the front cover. It talked about her life story, her Filipino roots, her parents' separation and divorce, etc. But yeah, being a young Filipino American, she probably believes Filipinos are Polynesians and Pacific Islanders like Hawaiians are. Just Google Filipino and "Pacific Islanders." --Chris S. 06:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I hope you like the way I put it in there Mad Jack 06:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

why is it so important that she said Polynesian? It could be true inspite of the fact that her mother's last name is Bercero. For one, she is not denying the Filipino ancestry and secondly, Minnillo is Italian but her father happens to be an american also. erik espino

I've researched her last name and have not found anything that constitutes her last name as strictly a spanish name originiated from the phillipines. Those of spanish and filipino descent can tell you on numerous occasionas that her last name CAN apply to someone who is Polynesian. Which it shouldn't matter anyway, since wikipedia is supposed to go by 'reliable' evidence, the fact that Vanessa says she is Polynesian meets these guidelines. By citing two journals that are not recognizable to a large mass of people and don't serve on a credible level of personal interviews as Maxim does, it's safe to say Vanessa has NEVER indicated that she was filipino, but in fact she was born in the philippines. Until someone can provide a magazine, journal, or site that is known to mainstream for being somewhat reliable. This is going to keep getting deleated. If it was so prevelantly stated she was filipino, it wouldn't be so hard to find that information right here in the U.S. 71.138.136.79 19:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If she is of Polynesian ancestry, she would have specified it. We use "Polynesian" when referring to our cultures on a collective level.  As for her mother's family name of Bercero, it was listed in the Catálogo Alfabético de Apellidos on page 17 in the 2nd column.  That means, their family chose that surname from the book and I don't know of any Latinos that carry Bercero as a surname. Mamoahina

Did you miss her entire interview, Vanessa HAS claimed she is Polynesian, and she more then anybody, like you said, would know what she is.71.138.141.230 21:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Recognizability of a source (or being part of the mainstream) is not a criterion for considering a source unreliable. If that were the case, then dozens of academic journals that are not recognized by the general public would be unreliable. Think of what would happen to the scientific articles we have here. I suggest that you reread Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources before thinking of removing the sources again. Also, Filipinas magazine is a mainstream magazine to Filipinos in the United States. It's been around since 1990, I believe. I am able to buy this magazine in Barnes and Noble and check it out at the local library. Furthermore Asian Journal is a mainstream Filipino-American publication in California and Nevada. But telling you this was moot, since it doesn't matter anyway.  Thank you. --Chris S. 21:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I read the reliable sources and it still remains those journals do not apply. Star magazine is also listed as a highly circulated magazine through the public, as you have stated for filipina magazine, but when used as a source, it is always refuted because of it's frequency in being unreliable. Once again, neither of those two magazines have had enough recognizable status in the U.S. to be considered reliable. For instance, 'psychology today' is not a widely read journal, but it is used as a reliable source because of it's credentials and proof of factual information. When reading the article posted by the asian journal, the site is very skeptical, vague, and supplies little detail of even doing research on that particular article; it shows nothing more of being a fabricated article.75.20.203.68 20:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks like I goofed, no not about Asian Journal's credibility (which I still don't doubt). Asian Journal is not the original source. I read the article carefully and at the end I saw the word INQ7. This is from the Philippine Daily Inquirer, which is one of the largest newspapers in the Philippines and is owned by one a major company, GMA. So it's highly recognizable and a major international source of news. The citation has been reinstated and changed to reflect the original source. So now all is good. Thanks. --Chris S. 01:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The original sources from the journal references are still located in the article. But the most recent information given by Vanessa is being used while also indicating information she gave in previous articles. This article is a battle of references and information, and as of now, the most recent update is that her mother is Polynesian, not filipino. All references are still within the article, but seeing as Wikipedia is based on the most current and up to date information, it would, it's inappropriate to word it as if she her stating she was polynesian was a mistake. Vanessa more then anyone knows her heritage, and since most recently she has confirmed that she is Polynesian, that applies to the current rules of Wikipedia editing.75.20.203.68 21:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * My cousins like to claim "Spanish" ancestry and one could argue that if there's anyone who would know their heritage, it would be them. But we do not have Spanish ancestry and my cousins then argued that their great-grandmother (my grandmother) had freckles.  So Chinese people with freckles are of Spanish ancestry too?  I've proven to them how we DO NOT have Spanish ancestry.  Again, I'll ask this, if Vanessa really is Polynesian, why isn't she claiming exactly what she is?  We don't use that term unless we're in a group of other Polynesians and we are being inclusive, then we'd group people or identify people as such.  Other than that, I'd expect, as I've experienced myself, a Samoan will say that they are Samoan and from which family.  A Tongan would do the same, and so would a Tahitian, Marquesan and in the case of a Maori, they'd specify from which tribe.  So why isn't Vanessa doing that? Mamoahina 23:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reverting your edit. First you state that it is "rumored." That is not the case, she clearly speaks of her Filipino roots and her Filipina mother's culture and languages. Second, when you reverted it, you used the old source instead of the new source. In any case, that very source is from March of this year; if anything, it seems that Vanessa is confused, as with many young Filipino Americans, as to the label she gives her mother. It could also very well be a transcription error by Maxim. The discrepancy should indeed be addressed in the article, but the first two sources shouldn't be watered down to point that it's misleading and the final word. Clearly there's something amiss and we should wait until Vanessa clarifies it in another article. Furthermore, could you point to me specifically where in the Wikipedia "rules" that support your argument. Thanks. --Chris S. 23:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I just gotta say that it's obvious that there are people here who don't want to associate her with anything that is filipino out of racism, even though her mother is a native of leyte, PHILIPPINES. and i have to say that that's pathetic that in this multi-cultural world, racism still pops up, although now, it's subtle because for it to be explicit would go against status quo. pathetic, but what else could you expect from america considering your people's history?

What is evident is that people who are filipino are in denial, as was said before, no one has yet to give a reliable source that has ever proven that Vanessa had ever classified herself as filipino. The interview of her saying she is polynesian is the first real source anyone can really come across where Vanessa has said her heritage. I'm sorry if you are disappointed that the rumours are not true. But the fact remains, until someone can give reliable evidence, that Vanessa is Polynesian as she says she is and NOT filipina. 71.138.141.230 21:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Contacted the administrator about this problem and they reviewed it and felt the way I edited it was the appropriate way to put it considering the sources. If you have a problem with the the facts and what the sources back up, please state your case with valid evidence that she is in fact filipina. 71.138.141.230 22:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi there, the problem was already solved. Two sources state that she was Filipino and the third one state she was Polynesian. All three sources used Minillo herself as a source. So that has been reflected in that particular paragraph. I have reverted your edit. Thanks. --Chris S. 00:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

its quite humorous that this argument even exists, if i say i am a negro it dosent make me one just cause i said it. Vannessa is obvious just half asian/filipino not Polynesian.--Jandela 08:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Should Irish American be added to the footer if her father is half Irish? -- Horkana 22:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I've looked at those articles that state she was filipino and I don't see how they are as reliable a source as Maxim. All of those filipino sources derive from generic websites that hold more inconsistancies then one can count, and have all been copied and pasted from ONE source, that in itself, is also a generic site. What's to say that information wasn't made up. It sure does look like it. If Vanessa stated she was filipino, wouldn't there be at least one source that we could look at as considerably liable. So far, the only time we are sure Vanessa has ever made statements regarding her ethnicity is in Maxim. And records from her show she is Polynesian. I'm reverting the edit.71.177.30.75 06:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure whats going on here, but you know she is (partly) Filipino, her mother is from the Philippines, In Leyte, and the Filipinos are polynesians you know.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.107.229 (talk) 02:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Black?
I keep seeing italian and filipino but doesn't she have black in her? --Migospia 17:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

no....she dosent..she might have chinese though she looks asiany

When
Vaness Minnillo looks 100% Philipppino, I am surprised she is part European!! Most Far East Asian and Pacific Islander mixed race offspring always represent more of an oriental flat-featured look unlike the Northern Asian Indian mix mostly tend to look like an extension of the Caucasian race - Ben Kingsley, Norah Jones, Saira Mohan, Englebert Humperdinck, Cliff Richards, Vivian Leigh, Merle Oberon, Rona Mitra, Yasmine Ghauri, etc, etc. It is the facial features that make the difference NOT the color of skin!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.137.167 (talk) 15:18, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Minnillo also has a small role in the motion picture sequal Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, released in the summer of 2007.
 * Minnillo has been dating singer Nick Lachey since the summer of 2006..
 * In June 2007, photographs taken in the summer of 2006 emerged...

These wordings are ambiguous for a global audience and must be replaced. Poetic wordings like "summer of " have no place in an encyclopedia article. It would be better to replace these with exact dates, months, month ranges and the like. --B.d.mills 04:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

"High School Stories"
She hosted "High School Stories" which currently airs on MTV2. Why isn't this mentioned?

she was born in Seattle
In the maxim article she stated that she was born in Seattle why doesn't this article acknowledge it?


 * I've reverted your edits. The Maxim article doesn't say that. --Chris S. 07:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Name change, move page?
I'm unsure about the protocol for moving a page, but I think since she recently legally changed her name to Vanessa Lachey, that the page should be "Vanessa Lachey" rather than "Vanessa Minnillo." Safehaven86 (talk) 22:01, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

FWIW, I don't know the protocol either, but I agree that "Vanessa Minnillo" should redirect to "Vanessa Lachey" instead of vice versa. Woodnwheel (talk) 02:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 22 July 2014

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 10:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Vanessa Minnillo → Vanessa Lachey – Since her marriage three years ago, she has made it clear that she doesn't want to use her maiden name when people refer to her professionally, in the media, etc. For instance, listings of talk show guests will by far refer to her now as Lachey, not Minnillo. Furthermore, she changed her name legally (see above section). Tinlinkin (talk) 10:25, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

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 * Support - Since she legally changed her name, the article should also be changed to reflect it.    ArcAngel    (talk) ) 04:16, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

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