Talk:Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management

Nominated for deletion
I have nominated this article for speedy deletion for a whole raft of reasons:
 * 1) The article is written like an advert, or manufacturers promotion. Of the two 'citations', one is from the actual manufacturer of the system (an official press release), and the other, the 'Autochannel' is simply a copy of the manufacturers press release.
 * 2) The article has NO independent citations which can verify ANY part of the article.
 * 3) The article fails the already included citations, comments in the article specifically relating to 'not being detectable by the driver' have TWO citations, yet none of the citations confirm this.
 * 4) The article fails the 'neutral point of view' test, in that it is written in a way to 'overly promote' its own technology, whilst 'rubbishing' similar products.
 * 5) The article makes some highly disputed claims, about conventional ESC systems not reacting until after a skid has occured, which is blatantly incorrect, and highly misleading!
 * 6) The article is NOT notable, its content is targeted at an extremely limited product, and does NOT reflect the wider automotive industry - of which the similar electronic stability control does.

78.32.143.113 (talk) 21:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * You raise valid points, and thanks for bringing this to my attention. Looking at the list, it seems that only this article and GM's StabiliTrak have any separate mention (by the way, that article has NO references at all--are you going to look into that one as well?) As for this article, I did not create it, only made some minor edits. Looking at the user history, the creator of the article hasn't edited since July, and the other IP address has left the project.


 * Like other automotive trademarks, this one refers to a general topic, Electronic stability control, so I'm simply redirecting the article to that. That way users can find information on multiple such systems. MTan355 (talk) 23:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your understanding. I was aware that the other two primary editors have been AWOL for a while, but thought it courteous that all editors were notified.  I will look at the GM article when I have a little more time (message me on my talk page in a couple of weeks if I forget).  Automotive 'trademarks' can be a little 'heated' on Wikipedia, but I think that the general 'notability' is probably the best 'benchmark' of what trademark article should be included on Wiki.  Thanks again, :)  78.32.143.113 (talk) 14:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Taken from edmunds.com:
 * "By gathering more data more rapidly and having the ability to act quicker and more progressively, VDIM is able to intervene before things start to get out of shape."
 * "The VDIM was virtually invisible in operation..."
 * "Toyota's new system optimizes vehicle control by adding new features — electronically controlled brakes (ECB) and electronic power steering (EPS) and having them work in concert with the stability control (VSC), ABS, EBD and BA systems."
 * "Another new piece of technology introduced in the 400h is an all-encompassing vehicle stability control system Lexus calls Vehicle Dynamic Integrated Management (VDIM). Instead of reacting to an already occurring driving situation, VDIM is designed to anticipate vehicle instability in every direction while making stabilizing corrections."
 * I added the hangon tag as I don't see how it's an advert. This system is unique to the Toyota brand.  I have added independent citations and removed any dubious statements.

ESCVDIM (talk) 13:41, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Upon further research VDIM is pretty much a more modern ESC. Switching back to redirect. ESCVDIM (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:27, 7 October 2009 (UTC).