Talk:Venetian Snares

Merge requests
I don't think Find Candace is notable as the content is mostly unsourced and trivial. See my merge request at Talk:Find Candace. Alduin2000 (talk) 11:37, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Also see my merge requests Talk:Huge Chrome Cylinder Box Unfolding and Talk:Cavalcade of Glee and Dadaist Happy Hardcore Pom Poms. Thanks. Alduin2000 (talk) 12:55, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If you can't find three major reviews for each album, feel free to boldly merge the contents and reliable, secondary sources. czar  14:49, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I've transferred some content from Find Candace but the other two didn't have much information there so I've WP:BOLD blanked and redirected them instead. Alduin2000 (talk) 23:03, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I disagree will all of the discography related merging. WHile all the content was not exacttly MUCH I am of the honest opinion that all of the content (that in my view was deleted unfarily) was informative and, to me something I was glad for. Tapio1994 (talk) 20:50, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Here are some comments copied over from User talk:Tapio1994: You have recently reverted a few of my edits where I've WP:BOLD blanked and redirected a few Venetian Snares albums per WP:ATD-R. I believe these articles are not notable - there is not enough significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Can you please respond on the corresponding article talk pages or here as to why you restored them so that an agreement can be reached. Thanks. Alduin2000 (talk) 20:36, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

It is my honest opinion that, while indeed, not exactly RICH in information it was still informative and the info that WAS presented was the main reason I went to the pages in question. There for I believe all info should be restored for the page in question and, obiously for all other pages where this change was made. Tapio1994 (talk) 20:43, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the information on these pages was almost completely unsourced, and often WP:Original research. There is no way of knowing if the information in the pages is correct if no sources on the subject exist. If you can find multiple sources (not just reviews) that give information about the albums then they should certainly be restored but I don't think there is enough coverage so I think they should be changed back to redirects. Alduin2000 (talk) 20:51, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Most of the 'trivia' refer to samples. ALL of the music samples are listed on https://www.whosampled.com/Venetian-Snares/ while some but not hardly all movie samples (not just for Venetian Snares, but as a whole) appear on youtube its hard to dertemine those as fact, but to take samples that were supposedly used on Meathole I can confirm, by watching the movies in question, that these samples are taken from said movies and what have you. I have to admit I have not been through all pages but I am pretty certain that all info can either be sourced using the WhoSampled link posted earlier OR can be posted by some other means. Tapio1994 (talk) 21:03, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

It appears that some other users have reverted these pages back to redirects. I think perhaps it would be best to keep it that way until more sources can be found - maybe Draft:Meathole etc. could be created and built upon until they are good enough articles? Alduin2000 (talk) 21:15, 28 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to publish original research on audio sample provenance. There are plenty of other non-encyclopedia wikis to compile that information. We only afford articles to topics that have significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. (?) Keep the redirects if no additional sourcing is added when reverted. czar  21:28, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Well as a person that really likes venetian snares I would often check those articles as they had some very good info on the tracks that no other site has. The find candace article for example had very good info on the metric of the tracks, info that couldnt be found anywhere else on the internet. I really disliked this merge and i think it was completely unnecessary. I actually think some precious information was lost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.176.71.202 (talk) 02:13, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Feel free to copy and maintain the info on another wiki with attribution, if you'd like. Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia for a general readership. This article gives a good overview of why we only cover topics that have significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. (?)  czar  02:27, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

I would like to do that. How can I access the information that was on those articles? I am no wikipedia savy so i have no idea how I could recover some of that info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.176.71.202 (talk) 05:41, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey there if you really want this info added back, like me, you have to, for now, access the old versions of the pages via the Wayback Machine, copy and paste whats in those articles. Again. I would really like to see this info return, as even minimal stuff like tracklistings, are things I actually go to the relevant wiki pages for so whoever made the choice to edit these pages off off the web made a very wrong choice Tapio1994 (talk) 22:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Or you can just visit the albums' respective . The edit histories are public. czar  01:19, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm still waiting for the original pages to return. I was working on resetting them to the latest (in my book) good state, but all I get is a claim I was vandalising. All pages should be reinstated to a point where they have a tracklist etc. ASAP Tapio1994 (talk) 14:00, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * We only keep dedicated album articles when the dedicated album can be shown to have significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. (?) If there isn't enough reliable sourcing to do justice to the topic, it should be covered in a parent article. For example, if one of the albums you mention is only covered in one source, it should be covered in the artist or discography articles, without a tracklist. If you're looking for the tracklist of every VS album, you're thinking of a different website. WP is a general encyclopedia written for a general audience, not a directory of every album and its tracklisting. czar  10:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I am still very sad that this page lost so much precious information and it was not reversed. The link sent by the admin is pointless. Wikipedia is source of information and that information was lost because of admins that strictly enforce rules by the letter and keep people disinformed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.41.143.182 (talk) 14:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)