Talk:Via Giulia

L'Arco Farnese
No source is given to specify that the Arco Farnese was the design of Michelangelo. Architectural consensus leans toward a less realized scheme along the axis of the Via dei Baulari and the Palazzo Farnese itself. Please Advise — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:10A:304C:C150:9D4B:C2D:5495:2E67 (talk) 21:46, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

GOCE copyedit request
There's going to be a lot by virtue of the article's length, so bear with me:
 * The name itself. As a proper noun I have removed the definite article before it.
 * After a two-century eclipse [...] I am assuming that you are going by eclipse's fourth definition to mean obscurity or decline. May I suggest using "decline" instead?
 * Correct!
 * ✅. Changed.


 * [...] from the 1950s onwards the road's fame was renewed to be one of the city's most prestigious addresses. "Addresses" tend to be used for buildings. Perhaps "location"?
 * Correct!
 * ✅. Changed.


 * Processions squeezed through almost daily since the Middle Ages [...] Partially edited already. When did processions stop?
 * I don't think that it is important to mention an end date here, since we are talking about the age of Julius II. Anyway, the processions in Rome continued well into the 19th century.
 * ✅. Changed the wording to say it happened in the Middle Ages.


 * As an unintended consequence, the bridge connected the rioni of Regola and Trastevere. Partially edited already. I'm assuming this was an unintentional consequence; would I be correct?
 * No, on the contrary: the popes started a plan to link the different quarters of the city.
 * ✅. Changed to reflect intention.


 * Julius II implemented many projects in the framework of Rome's urban renewal (Renovatio Romae), a task which was started forty years before [...] Bold emphasis added. What was the year 40 years before?
 * I would write "about 40 years before". We are referring to the age of Julius uncle, Pope Sixtus IV, which pursued too a program of urban renewal in Rome.
 * ✅. Context should be clear enough.


 * The main goal behind these plans was to superimpose a regular road network with centre of gravity given by the river on medieval Rome's disorderly buildings [...] I don't think this term is used correctly; maybe "focus"?
 * Focus is good!
 * ✅. Changed to focus.


 * together with the new Via Alessandrina that Alexander VI opened in the Borgo, the Via dei Pettinari that connected the Trastevere on one side and the Campidoglio on the other, the Lungara and Via Giulia created a regular quadrangular division in the city's maze of alleys. Parenthetical thought excised, which is mentioned right below. Can "regular quadrangular division" be called a square decision? What is the exact shape of this division, if possible?
 * I would say that here the right word is "Quadrilateral".
 * ✅. Changed to "quadrilateral".


 * which according to the original project should have reached the Hospital of Santo Spirito in Borgo too thanks to the rebuilt Pons Neronianus Excised parenthetical thought. Is it super important? I'll try and incorporate it into the paragraph.
 * Yes, since this explains the real plan of the pope, which was really ambitious.
 * ✅. Turned it into its own separate sentence.


 * the plan intended to separate papal power from the dependence of the city's powerful noble families. Who needed to become independent? The nobility from the papacy or the papacy from the nobility?
 * The pope wanted to become independent, the baronal families in Rome were powerful and in the Middle Ages built a State into the state.
 * ✅. Clarified.


 * These projects had a secondary, celebrative goal to promote the Pontiff as the unifier of Italy and the renewer of Rome; in 1506, after the end of the plague Emphasis added. The link currently leads to the general disease, and that is fine. However, is there a link to the plague in Italy?
 * Unfortunately not (yet) ;-)
 * ✅. Left as is.


 * Aside from serving as a means of communication and representative [...] Emphasis added. Again, seems like something lost in translation.
 * There were three goals: communication between several part of the city, representative (celebrating the power of the church) and administrative center.
 * ✅. Clarified it to "Church representation".


 * After the death of Julius II in 151 [...] The last digit is missing in the year.
 * 1513
 * ✅. Amended.


 * [...] was built on the façade of the beggars' hospice on Via Giulia. This comes up multiple times in the article. Do you mean the front of the building? I'm assuming this corresponds to facciata or davanti.
 * Correct, it is the front.
 * ✅. Added a wikilink to the first mention for context.


 * parades of carnival floats, and in 1663 the organisation of a horse race with naked hunchbacks during the carnival is handed down. Three things. First, I think we are talking about the event Carnival and not typical traveling carnivals. Second, who handed down the horse race organisation to whom? Third, What do you mean by "naked hunchbacks"?
 * Yes, this is the famous "carnevale romano"; The source does not say who did it; maybe naked hunchbacked men?
 * ✅. Can't do anything more without information.


 * A machine with fireworks was burned near the Fontanone di Ponte Sisto [...] Was it set off or did the machine get burned and not work?
 * set off.
 * ✅. Changed to clarify.


 * The building was occupied by poor unmarried girls ("zitelle" in Romanesco dialect) and a congregation made up of 100 priests and 20 clerics who had to pray for the souls of the dead priests. Why did these priests and clerics have to pray for dead priests? Why did these dead priests die?
 * They had to pray to send the soul in heaven. The priest died normally (illness, because they were old, etc.). It was (and sometime is) a normal custom in Italy to pray for the souls of the deceased.
 * ✅. Clarified.


 * the new façade As above.
 * front
 * ✅. Clarified.


 * The nobility abandoned the palaces on the street to move to the new center of urban life, the Campo Marzio, and in their place the road hosted artisans and took on a solitary and solemn aspect. Were there no more festivities?
 * Correct. The road fully decayed.
 * ✅. Worded it differently.


 * The facades facing the river with loggias and gardens, such as the Palazzi Medici-Clarelli, Sacchetti, Varese, and Falconieri had lost their purpose. As above. What was their purpose?
 * Their purpose was to show the panorama of the river. The walls are much higher than the gardens.
 * ✅. Clarified.


 * Walk through Via Giulia Original header, has been edited. I think it was rendered along the lines of "Passeggiata attraverso la Via Giulia" on the Italian Wikipedia. Since it only mentions landmarks, I have renamed it to "Landmarks on Via Giulia".
 * This is good. I used also this expression in other articles.


 * Already in 1570 a public fountain, fed by the Aqua Virgo aqueduct, was planned in Via Giulia. What significance is there in its design being planned on the street that it stands on?
 * To give water to the people, since at that time the only source of water was the river, but was unhealthy.
 * ✅. Clarified.


 * The palace opposite the Church of the Sienese [...] Emphasis added. Is this the same church as Santa Caterina da Siena?
 * Yes
 * ✅. Changed to its Italian name.

* The small church opposite the Carceri Nuove was donated around 1600 by Rutilio Brandi [...] Who was the church donated to?
 * Maybe "donated" is not the right word. Brandi was the sponsor of the church, the one who put the money for the construction. The church was then given to the Compagnia delle santissime piaghe.
 * ✅. Clarified.


 * It was connected to a residence for unmarried girls (zitelle) and a hospital for sick priests Are we talking about the San Michele a Ripa?
 * No, it is another institution. At that time there was a plenty of such places in Rome.
 * ✅. Left unnamed.


 * It was abandoned after the war before being restored; however it remains profane. Slightly already edited by me. What do you mean by it "remain[ing] profane"?
 * Still used, but not anymore as church (in opposition to religious)
 * ✅. Phrased as being used for non-religious purposes.


 * The building [Carceri Nuove] [...] Just so I understand, although it is referred to in the plural, Carceri Nuove is only one building?
 * Yes, the "New prisons". I am looking forward to write an article about them ;-)


 * The building was consecrated in 1669, and the facade was finished in 1680. Emphasis added; as above.
 * front


 * An inscription in the Vicolo del Cefalo's side wall states that the palace was freed from the census in 1555. Reference removed. What does it mean to be freed from the census?
 * Exempted from the payment of the census tax.
 * ✅. Clarified.


 * An inscription above the windows of the first floor reminds of Raphael: POSSEDEVA RAF SANZIO NEL MDXX. Is the inscription dedicated to Raphael's memory?
 * Yes. It means: "Raf[faello] Sanzio owned [this house] in 1520"
 * ✅. Rephrased.


 * Since 1515 the Commune had its own consulate in a palace on Via del Consolato [...] Emphasis added. This wasn't mentioned before; is this still referring to the Compagnia della Pietà?
 * No, you are right, I should correct it. It is the comune of Florence.
 * ✅. Rephrased.


 * The main goal behind these plans was to superimpose a regular road network with the focus given to the river. Edited by me, and not super important, but this is still the Tiber River we're talking about?
 * Yes, this is always the same river, the Tiber.
 * ✅. Changed mention of river to its name.


 * [...] the Via Giulia on the left bank, a new representative street through the most densely populated [...] I feel like this was lost in translation. What type of street is this? A major street?
 * Strada di rappresentanza ;-) . Someting like Champs Elysees in Paris, or Unter den Linden in Berlin. A wide road with majestic Buildings, etc.
 * . Would a boulevard or avenue describe it better?
 * Avenue, or grand avenue.
 * ✅. Rechristened as "grand avenue".


 * "The Big Fountain of the Sistine Bridge" My attempt at translating Fontanone di Ponte Sisto from my limited Italian. Is that correct?
 * Your Italian is good: in these cases, I would live the name in Italian (since it is its name), and then the translation in English
 * . I'm not sure what you mean by "live the name".
 * sorry, I meant "leave (let in place) the Italian name". In principle, I use the English denomination only if it is well established (like in "Spanish steps"). Otherwise, I leave the Italian name with the English translation in parentheses.


 * [...] girls dowried by the university of the goldsmiths of Sant'Eligio degli Orefici [...] As in the bride's family receives money from the groom's family?
 * Yes, since these girls were poor, otherwise they could not get married.
 * . Were they married off to the goldsmiths, and if so, are the goldsmiths from the church or were the goldsmiths married at the church?
 * :-) No, the goldsmiths gave them only the dowry, then they got married quite normally, as soon as a young man made a proposal of marriage: without dowry, was almost impossible to find a man. The link between goldsmiths and church is only that Sant'Eligio was the church of the goldsmiths in Rome, managed and funded by them. It is quite possible, but not a must, that a goldsmith got married in Sant'Eligio.
 * ✅. Clarified and fixed.


 * After Rome became the capital of the Kingdom of Italy in 1870, the regulation of the Tiber banks began in 1873 by constructing Lungoteveres, which since 1888 were erected along the road and caused the destruction of the church of Sant'Anna dei Bresciani. I currently left "regulation" as is. Did the construction require demolishing the church to make room or was is it a consequence of diverting the Tiber's flow?
 * It was a consequence of the erection of the giant walls around the river.
 * . Again, was the church intentionally destroyed for the project or was it unintentionally destroyed after the giant walls around the river were built?
 * Yes, Sant'Anna dei Bresciani had to be demolished, since it lay near the Tiber.
 * ✅. Changed with clarification.


 * The fountain diagonally opposite Palazzo Farnese was built around 1626 at the expense of the Farnese. Did they pay for the fountain willingly or was it bad for them?
 * Of couse willingly: they were at that time one of the richest family in Europe (look at their palace and you will understand how rich they were... :-))
 * ✅. I had to ask because "at the expense of" is an idiomatic expression that is more commonly used to describe "to the detriment of someone" (definition 3), though your use (definition 1) is also valid.


 * On the ground floor is the main door and above it is a balcony on consoles, flanked by three windows each. A door opens into the yard with three arcade orders [...] Emphasis added. I found the wikilink to architectural consoles and I changed "portal" to "door" (from "la porta"?), but is there more information on "arcade orders"?
 * A portal (architecture) is more than a door, is a large, high, adorned door.
 * . Reverted to "portal", added wikilink to first mention to establish context. I am still not sure what you mean by arcade orders. I understand what arcades are now and have wikilinked it, but what is an "arcade order"?
 * An order is an Order of architecture, but in this context you can translate it as row. Three rows of arcades, one over the other.
 * ✅. Saying they're stacked on one another should be enough.


 * It was placed against the wall in 1903, losing most of its charm. In reference to the metal fleur-de-lis, what does "placed against the wall" mean?
 * No, the fountain, which before was in a little piazza, was put against a rough wall, losing its charme.
 * ✅. Changed verb.

There are a lot of images rendered in-text as links titled  I think the intention behind doing this was to keep the images in their relevant sections, but perhaps creating a gallery at the bottom of the page and linking back up to each section might be better? There are also others in the text that I have not tagged above. I have converted each landmark into its own section to make it easier if you choose to do so.
 * No, I don't think that the gallery is a good idea, since as it is now the reader reads the info, clicks on "fig" and sees at once the building. With a gallery it has no way to see the image while reading the text. I mean, the flow direction should be text -> image and back to text. I found this system on the German Wikipedia (in my opinion by far the best wiki) and I think it is genial.
 * ✅. I'll leave them as is.
 * Thanks!
 * And now some info about the genesis of the article: I started with a German - English translation of the German article, which unfortunately was without references (they used basically only a web site in Italian, hardly a RS). So, as first I had to reference everything with solid sources (and correct in many places) . While doing this, I found that the history part was very weak, so basically I enhanced it a lot. The "landmarks" part remained more or less as it is in the German wiki. At the end of this, I translated the English version in Italian. So, it is the other way around, as most people imagine. Logic, isn't it? ;-)


 * English aside, did you like the article? Thanks again! Alex2006 (talk) 07:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Looking forward to your responses! -- Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your answers. While I've acted on most of them and did my second copyedit off of those, there are a few that need further clarification and I discovered two new questions that I had that I missed on my first pass. The bullet points have been reorganised such that the answered ones are all at the top and the unanswered at the bottom of the list. I will wait for more of your answers before I start my 3rd copyedit. Yes, I quite enjoyed reading this article. Hope to hear from you soon! -- Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝)  18:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Added a question about whether the river that was given focus to is the Tiber in the questions up above. -- Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝)  01:35, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Answers done! I am glad that you enjoyed the article! Alex2006 (talk) 12:08, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Everything looks good to me! I've completed my third copyedit and will consider the request complete. Let me know if there's anything else you need. -- Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , many thanks! I will read the article again and fix possible problems (not of language, of course, but of meaning): if I will have problem with the language I will ask your help. Then I will put the article into the GAN queue. After the end of the GA process for Via Giulia, I think that I will propose a couple of other articles (no fear, they are not so long ;-)), and if you like I can come back directly to you to copyedit them. Cheers and happy Easter! Alex2006 (talk) 16:28, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , best of luck! When you're ready for those other articles to be copyedited, either leave me a message or put it in WP:GOCE/REQ. -- Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝)  16:31, 10 April 2020 (UTC)