Talk:Volume of Sacred Law

French VSL?
I understand that some lodges under GOdF place their book of constitutions on their altars... however I am not sure that they refer to this book as a Volume of Sacred Law (even in French). I will try to reword. Blueboar (talk) 21:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I have a feeling that the description should highlight that some bodies which style themselves lodges yet do not require candidates to have a belief in a Supreme Being substitute the VSL with an alternative, sometimes the BoC of their grand body.
 * I agree the sentiment that it's not a VSL, since it's not sacred law, however the point is clearly important to some.
 * ALR (talk) 08:53, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You know... we should probably find a source for the statement that some Continental lodges use a Book of Constitutions instead of a VSL. I think it is factual, but I don't know for sure... We could be repeating hearsay. Blueboar (talk) 16:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Redundant?
I see that this article is currently essentially the same as what is stated in the main Freemasonry article (the only difference being the additon of the short bit on the Washington Bible). Is this yet another article on something related to Freemasonry that can not be expanded further? If if so, we should think about merging it back and redirecting the term to that section. Blueboar (talk) 22:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Why? This is an article that could easily grow and the section within Freemasonry (as is likely in large articles) is badly maintained, hence no mention of the Washington bible and the poorly worded stuff about the Continentals.  But although with the current arguments I'd oppose any prod, speedy, merge or AfD it's not going to be a disaster. JASpencer (talk)


 * This is why I asked the question... Can it be expanded further? If not, then it is redundant and we should consider merging.  If it can be expanded then we should expand it. Simple. Blueboar (talk) 01:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
Well, it has been almost two years since I asked the question above (is it possible to expand this article beyond what it currently says?)... and given the lack of any edits since then, I have to assume that the the answer is "no". I am therefore going to formally propose that we merge this into an appropriate section of the main Freemasonry article. Blueboar (talk) 12:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Washington Bible
An editor has challenged the description of the George Washington Inaugural Bible as the "most famous" individual VSL. I think this is a "sky is blue" situation (ie a statement that is so obvious that it does not need a citation). Can anyone think of another individual VSL that would come even close in terms of fame? Blueboar (talk) 11:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Sefer ha-Torah
Don't you think there ought perhaps to be a short explanation as to why the term VSL is used? It is an English translation of the Hebrew Sefer ha-Torah, the book of the Law of Moses, and hence the books we call the Bible collectively. Nuttyskin (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2017 (UTC) Nuttyskin (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can make that link. Dermott made schoolboy errors in the first Hebrew in the Ancient's arms, and Anderson's Hebrew was laughable - and nobody noticed. VSL is simply a neutral term coined in Freemasonry to describe any "sacred" book. Crediting any of the men that wrote this into ritual with any understanding of Hebrew is a lost cause. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 00:22, 1 September 2017 (UTC)