Talk:Voluntary sector

Nonprofit/Voluntary sector organizations are becoming more diverse in how they are approaching operations. With that in mind, I propose the addition of a Marketization/Commericalization section to this page.Ellingtonaustin (talk) 17:46, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

This Voluntary Sector page has been redirected from a page called Third Sector. Clearly they are not the same thing. Can we have a Third Sector page and a voluntary sector page? The Voluntary sector is one part of what is seen as the third sector that aslo includes Co-ops, social enterprise etc.

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There is no standard internationally recognised and agreed definition of voluntary sector, voluntary organisation, community group, third sector, social enterprise, non profit organisation, NGO etc which provides neat boundaries between each one of these and the others. We could debate the boundaries between one and another ad infinitum. Social enterprise can be seen as part of the voluntary sector. A charity shop is social enterprise, for example, falling within a voluntary organisation. By the way, I don't know who set up the redirection above and I am not directly commenting on that.

Cheddington2001 12:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

...since writing the above, I have noticed that the sector in Wales is gradually moving away from talking about the 'voluntary sector' to talking about the 'third sector'.

Cheddington2001 13:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)]]

There seems to be a need for a modest bit of coordination so that there is some discussion somewhere of the definitional/categorization issues among the three (or more???) economic sectors. There is a WP Organizations project that may have something to say about this. I'm not sure that we've got a good definition for what makes a given organization a member of any of the sectors. I think that the core public sector entities (sovereign and subsidiary executive, legislative, and judicial entities) have their own criteria. Individuals and families are always (?) excluded from this kind of classification effort. What might make a clan governmental? If it performs a social welfare function, is it third-sector? In more "advanced" economies, organizations can be in any of the three sectors. The leading criteria, I think, are ownership, control, and whether run for profit by law. It would be interesting to see how the big international organizations define the three sectors. DCDuring 16:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to see a more extended debate about "Third Sector" - whether it does/should encompass 'voluntary', 'community', 'faith group', 'social enterprise', etc., etc. I agree with the above that there isn't (and probably shouldn't be) a clear SINGLE definition of the term, but I'd like to see some more outline. The Public Sector in the UK is increasingly using "Third Sector" to try to define all non-Govt/non-private agencies, and I'm not sure Third Sector organisations are involved in that debate enough. In line with that, I'm trying not to use 'not-for-profit', or 'nonprofit' (US), as some of the Third Sector organisations we work with have to make a profit to survive. Isn't it where that profit/surplus goes that defines better? 'Not-for-PERSONAL-profit' is better but a large mouthful! My own organisation struggles to break-even, but unless we make a non-personal profit, we will disappear and then won't offer our services to our beneficiaries. The era of Public Sector "free money" (grants without strings) disappeared a long time ago... --Fatuousplatitudes (talk) 11:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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Google hits and merge
Google results: --Neutralitytalk 03:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Voluntary sector" 2,160,000 hits
 * "Third sector" 669,000 hits
 * "Non-profit sector" 391,000 hits
 * "Civic sector" 19,000 hits

Can a redirect from "third sector" be implemented please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.132.41 (talk) 08:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This article's scope
This article is severly conflicted and confused. The name and lead of this article talks of volunteer non-profit organizations. However, the the term "third sector", which is a redirect, also describes what are also called public-private parterships (PPPs).

So, the question is, should the article be moved to the current redirect of "third sector" with the lead more clearly explaining the scope of the article, as the article really describes both uses of that term? Or should the material about PPPs be moved over a seperate article with that title, with third sector becoming a disambiguation page? oknazevad (talk) 04:48, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

--- I think the whole issue is confusing and rather full of woolly thinking. If you have a not-for-profit organisation would the plumber also have to give a no-profit quote? And the supplies he uses, do they also have to be without the profit that people actually live on? The plumber and his children have to eat, too - so since not for profit is not sustainable through the whole supply chain it's not a good categorization.

With the so called NGOs there is a bit of a problem when they seek to be political like the Soros 'Open Society' organisations. These NGOs, international ones in particular, are not accountable to anyone but claim a sector of power and influence for themselves. When a society lives in rented apartments and most have casual jobs it becomes more and more problematic to spend time unpaid. It shows up in many organisations, churches and political parties. Spending unpaid time was for the middle class, but that has been reduced so much that volunteering and charitable activities will only be possible for those who have their living anyway, the retired and wealthy. 2001:8003:A0B9:EF00:CDCF:677:E001:7DAF (talk) 03:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Run-on sentence
Donating to private religious organizations remains the most popular American cause, and all religious organizations are entirely privately funded because the government is limited from establishing or prohibiting a religion under the First Amendment.[13] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Augerspectre (talk • contribs) 17:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not a run on sentence. It does have a dependent clause to explain the first clause, but that does not make it a run on. oknazevad (talk) 02:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * ok Augerspectre (talk) 17:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)