Talk:Wallkill River

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What does it mean for a river to be impounded?

An impoundment is the technical term for any purposely constructed impediment to a river's flow, such as a dam or weir.Daniel Case 05:09, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Creek?
In British English a Creek is a small estuary where a river enters the sea, so draining in to a creek is the usual situation. The North American usage of a creek being a stream or small river stems from such rivers being explored originally from the sea and the name persisting further up stream. Would it be better to say drains in to a stream if that is what is meant? Billlion 06:37, 18 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, to be fair, the Rondout where the Wallkill drains into it really ought to be called a river, since it's as wide as the Wallkill would be if not impounded at that point. I think it's really a matter of the Rondout having been taken its name further up, or the impoundment having been created later on.Daniel Case 05:24, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * American English is inconsistent in its use of designations such as "creek, river, brook, etc." with its waterways. One drive out in Montana and Idaho will introduce you to creeks and brooks that should be called rivers and rivers that should be called brooks.--ColonelHenry (talk) 15:55, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comments
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I have assessed this article as C-class and identified the following areas for improvement:  shirulashem     (talk)   14:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The article needs inline citations
 * The article needs references

Twischsawkin
The Lenape name of the river does not mean "where the plums abound". The morphology is wrong. I know this comes out of Schrabisch's Indian Habitations (1915) where he mentions an old 1769 survey of the Drowned Lands, but his translation skills were always lacking. The Lenape meaning indicates a specific place where a stream meets the river, where it was "open" and "grassy". No where does it mean plums. --ColonelHenry (talk) 04:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have taken it out. Do we have something we can cite this new meaning to? Daniel Case (talk) 04:51, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There are two books currently in manuscript form scheduled for publishing later in the year that I read it in recently, but I confirmed it using John O'Meara's Lenape Dictionary. Perhaps a section stating, several historical sources have claimed the river's aboriginal name was "Twischsawkin" but the translation of this name does not match Lenape morphology.  Recall taht most surveyors just wrote down what they were told.  Whether they interpretted it correctly or could confirm it was even correct is another matter.  And when those books are published, we cite their definitions in conferment.--ColonelHenry (talk) 15:32, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Isn't the Wallkill River a tributary of Rondout Creek...
...And Rondout Creek a tributary of the Hudson River Gjs238 (talk) 22:17, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Flooding of 2011 & other comments
Mention of the severe flooding of 2011 (Hurricane Irene followed immediately by Tropical Storm Lee) should be made as it was worse than 1955's flooding. It effected the availability of some crops in the US as well as their prices, onions and pumpkins spring to mind. Where I live, the fields a mile from the Wallkill were under four feet of water. And I don't see anything about continuing proposals for dredging by the Army Corps of Engineers to try to mitigate the flooding.

The History section, 3rd paragraph, begins with: "Settlers recognized the agricultural possibilities of the Drowned Lands almost as soon as they moved in." This is the first and only reference to the Drowned Lands. An explanation is in order at minimum and an article of it's own at maximum. The flood plain was formed from glacial activity, was it not? The depth of the black dirt is somewhere around 30 feet in places. I don't know the name of the soil type, but it's very peaty and holds water like a sponge, increasing the impact of the flooding on farmers.

If only the Wallkill looked as pretty all along it's course as the photograph in the article, taken near Walden. Unfortunately, it does not.

This article is much better than so many others for this area of the Hudson River Valley. Congratulations! Wordreader (talk) 16:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'm certainly aware of the post-Irene flooding, as someone who lives in the area, however I have just been too busy with other things since I started this article to keep making running updates (Actually, I do think Effects of Hurricane Irene in New York has some stuff there that can be ported over with sources, so it might be easier than I want to think). The soil name you're thinking of is called chernozem (from the Slavic for "black earth"). It's not found in too many other places in the U.S. If you like this, I commend your attention as well to another Hudson-tributary article I did most of the work on, Esopus Creek (which also needs some updating, but is more in-depth). Daniel Case (talk) 17:24, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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