Talk:Welcome Back My Friends to the Show That Never Ends – Ladies and Gentlemen

Pete Murray
I was surprised to see it written here that British DJ Pete Murray provided the voice introduction at the start of the album. The voice does not sound the least bit British (note "Pall-murr," not "Pall-mah;" "neh-vurr," not "nev-aah"). I looked up Pete Murray on YouTube and it's simply not the same voice. Could someone run this down and make a correction if warranted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.157.54.155 (talk) 03:45, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 4 March 2020

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 03:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome Back, My Friends, to the Show That Never Ends ∽ Ladies and Gentlemen → Welcome Back My Friends to the Show That Never Ends – Ladies and Gentlemen – This article has been moved before, but has never been the subject of an RM discussion. The title currently includes two commas and a "∽" and "and". I particularly dislike the "∽" per WP:TSC. According to Wikipedia "∽" is some sort of math character that is sometimes used to indicate proportionality. The album is named primarily after the opening phrase of Karn Evil 9 2nd Impression, which is also a classic opening line for a travelling carnival. On the AllMusic article title there are no commas, there is capitalization per the current article title, a colon, and an ampersand instead of "and". The cover art shown on Amazon.com has only comma (which is oddly spaced), uses sentence case for the part before the "∽" and title case for "Ladies and Gentlemen" and uses "∽" and "and", and there is a line break after the "∽" (and there is no space before the "∽"). The cover art shown on AllMusic is very similar but is purple instead of black and omits the strange space before the comma. Amazon.com's product title uses no commas and has capitalization per the current article title, and has a hyphen and "and". Some sources use a colon or a dash. I wonder whether the full title (with the subtitle) is really necessary – see WP:SUBTITLE. In the ELP discography article, the title is simplified to Welcome Back My Friends..., which is also found (with or without the ellipsis) in off-Wikipedia sources as seen by a web search. Note that sentence case may be justifiable under MOS:INCIPIT. I also wonder about the capitalisation of "That" and MOS:CT. Sources are generally mixed. The audio of the song contains no pauses between words that would indicate the presence of commas – the words are all strung together rather rapidly. Additionally, it seems that the band name on the cover is intended to be read as part of the title, so that the full title is a sentence to introduce the band at their live performance, saying "Welcome Back My Friends to the Show That Never Ends... Ladies and Gentlemen, Emerson, Lake & Palmer!" Note that there is has been a redirect with that longer string since 2008. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 23:39, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, to remove unnecessary character complication. BD2412  T 02:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


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