Talk:White House Iraq Group

This page has POV problems. Referring to these folks as the "marketing arm" responsible for "selling" the Iraq War. This makes the WHIG sound as though they are a bunch of shoe salesmen or partisian hacks. It would be better to say the WHIG was responsible for stating the case for the war or coordinating the White House message, etc.(Jball65 (talk) 21:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC))

It cannot be concluded that Plame was an undercover covert agent when Novak named her in his column. On March 23, 2005, every major news organization, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, AP, Newsweek, Reuters, and the White House correspondents, joined to file a friend of the court brief on behalf of Judith Miller and Matthew Cooper. They said:
 * "To the average observer, much less to the professional intelligence operative, Plame was not given the “deep cover” required of a covert agent. See 50 U.S.C. § 426 (“covert agent” defined). She worked at a desk job at CIA headquarters, where she could be seen traveling to and from, and active at, Langley. She had been residing in Washington – not stationed abroad – for a number of years."

October 28, 2005, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald was asked if Plame was covert and he responded:
 * "Let me say two things. Number one, I am not speaking to whether or not Valerie Wilson was covert. And anything I say is not intended to say anything beyond this: that she was a CIA officer from January 1st, 2002, forward. I will confirm that her association with the CIA was classified at that time through July 2003. And all I'll say is that, look, we have not made any allegation that Mr. Libby knowingly, intentionally outed a covert agent. We have not charged that. And so I'm not making that assertion."--Mr j galt 06:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You are duplicating your same (erroneous) argument from Talk:Plame affair. Please stop spreading an erroneous, unfactual argument and return to the dialogue there. Your activities are disrupting Wikipedia, to prove a flawed point. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 06:13, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The sources are impeccable and well documented. I am attempting to restore NPOV to the article.  Stop wikistalking me.--Mr j galt 06:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Your sources do not prove your point. Just like on the dozen or so other articles you've disrupted in the last 24 hours with these cites, they do not substantiate your point. The lack of logic on your part has been made clear, and you simply move to another article, and repeat the process, never responding... -- User:RyanFreisling @ 06:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC) (as an aside, please excuse the erroneous, 'autofill' from a prior vandalism revert).

RfC opened for Mr j galt
An RfC has been opened here.-- User:RyanFreisling @ 22:35, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

POV
This article sets off the old POV alarm. The "marketing arm" of the Republican Party? Let's try to be neutral. Isopropyl 01:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why this articule's neutrality is at issue
I removed the "undercover" part of the CIA/Plame investigation.

As for the reference to the White House Iraq Group being the "marketing arm" of the White House, it was the Bush Administration's own Chief of Staff, Andrew Card, who is credited with coining this term. In an interview with the New York Times, Andrew Card did not mention the WHIG specifically but hinted at its mission. When asked about selling the war to the public, Card said "From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August." Card was part of the WHIG. Marketing the war was exactly what they did. So why not call a spade a spade?

Changed invasion of Iraq date.
Hello, I changed the invasion of Iraq date to March 19, 2003 from March 20, 2003 and provided a link. Thanks!Sowsearsoup 13:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Rove, 3/9/08
Hey, this is direct from an interview with Karl Rove on 3/9/08 at the University of Iowa. In response to a question about his participation in the WHIG's activities, he claimed that the WHIG did not come into existence until after the war had begun, which conflicts with claims that it was formed in August 2002, and that he was not its chairman.

Is there evidence to substantiate either these claims or the claims of the current Wiki entry sources?

I'll link to the transcript/recording of this session when it's over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmonkeylouie (talk • contribs) 23:50, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Rove also reaffirmed this in a Harvard speech. However, the Harvard Crimson Article insists that Rove is incorrect and that it was established in 2002, but without any sourcing. So I came here since it seemed funny that Rove would get the date so wrong since he was in the group. But all the references in the article (at least the linked ones) don't show any mention of the group. I'm assuming the reference is somewhere in the books, but they seem to be anti-bush books so they don't strike me as very reliable. Rove being the most direct source, shouldn't we use him as the reference particularly when he makes the claim of its inception as 2004 in two different speeches? --199.10.231.172 (talk) 17:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC) Paul L. (not the parent poster)


 * I found the original 2003 Washington Post article and updated the reference. The old link was dead. I think it should be noted that most of the information regarding this group is based on conjecture or unverified sources since most of the articles related to this group seem to return to this Post article which uses unnamed sources. The only verified source seems to come from the Rove speeches above, which contradict the article. --199.10.231.172 (talk) 21:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)Paul L.

Reference Issues
Not only is there obvious bias in this page, I really question the sources. Some statements are not referenced at all, and the references listed are almost entirely newspapers and periodicals. I feel that these type of references are not sufficient for this type of page. The only other references are books, but their titles give them away as being extremely biased. Someone needs to go through this page and cite stronger sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris Nahrgang (talk • contribs) 02:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Flagged for POV
I have good faith and belief that the article does not yet contain reliable sources, and it is also loaded with some accusations about the U.S. government that, while not un-provable, require better explanation and reasoning to ensure fairness.

Hope nobody flags me as a man in black for this! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:80CC:AFB0:DD42:9F31:82BD:CB35 (talk) 00:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

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