Talk:Will Lankshear

Appearances
An edit of 10 October says Lankshear has made senior appearances. This is not borne out by the article. A previous article on Lankshear was deleted due to no senior apps. I am currently adding links to this article on other pages but I accept it is possible it may again be proposed for deletion. LenF54 (talk) 16:38, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * EFL Trophy appearances for academy sides are considered senior appearances as they're playing at club level. Any other academy appearances such as the FA Youth Cup or the Premier League 2 do no count. Idiosincrático (talk) 07:49, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Idiosincrático Could you please point me to where this guideline exists in Wikipedia? Such a guideline would be extremely useful and I could quote it in a number of edits. Thanks. LenF54 (talk) 15:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @LenF54 As a result of searching for an answer to this question, I realise I might be partially wrong. Whilst EFL Trophy appearances for an academy team are still senior appearances (as I've discovered searching through the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football archives), I don't think its enough for an article. According to WP:FOOTY notability criteria, point 2 (which applies here) says that for a player to be notable they can have "played in a competitive fixture between two fully professional clubs in a domestic, Continental or Intercontinental club competition." Now I'm not sure if an academy team qualifies as a "professional club". Nonetheless, I'm still positive an EFL Trophy match between an academy and senior team is still a senior appearance, and should still be listed in appearance tables however, its up for debate at to if this is enough to qualify for a wikipedia article. I'm going to nominate the page for a discussion and see if it reaches consensus. If this is case, I know a lot of articles that shouldn't be on this site. Idiosincrático (talk) 10:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm not sure anymore, I won't nominate it yet. The WP:FOOTY page has been superseded by Notability (sports), which has a more basic outline which is just coverage from reliable secondary sources. The Will Lankshear page has pretty good secondary sources such as Sports Illustrated, Yorkshire Live and Sky Sports. So I'm not sure, leaning on the notable side now. What do you think? Idiosincrático (talk) 11:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Idiosincrático. This is kind of the problem I'm encountering. If a Premier League's U-21 team plays a League Two side in the EFL Trophy and a person makes his debut for the League Two side, he automatically (?) becomes eligible for an article. So why shouldn't his opponents? Alternatively, it's the U-21 side so it's not the first team. On balance I say the article meets WP:GNG Presumed and Significant coverage and Notability (people) so should remain. See also Chelsea F.C. Development Squad and Academy for several other young footballers who have Wikipedia articles but have not played a first-team game. If those pages exist then so should this one. LenF54 (talk) 16:22, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @LenF54, I agree. Idiosincrático (talk) 04:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)