Talk:Winnipeg/Archive 2

Copyedit
I don't really see why the copyedit template was included. The article is in a great state from what I can tell. I fixed a few things, but I was really just picking nits. Maybe I'm missing something. --Moritz 6 July 2005 00:08 (UTC)

Well, let's hope someone decides to copyedit it, so we can get rid of the copyedit template ASAP. --Munchkinguy 6 July 2005 05:14 (UTC)

I came by because I saw the article listed for copyediting. Speaking with the impartiality of one who hasn't been involved with the article at all, I agree that it was in good shape, although I found a few places to make copyedits. I've removed the template. Some ideas for further improvements that I didn't have the energy to tackle: I haven't watchlisted this article, so if anyone wants to know why I made any particular edit, please inquire on my talk page. If you disagree with any of my edits, just change them without bothering to tell me. Oh, and if you think I've helped the article and you want to return the favor, we're looking for outside opinions to help resolve an edit war on the George W. Bush article. Go here for a presentation of the dispute that both sides agreed on, and give us your thoughts. Thanks! JamesMLane 8 July 2005 10:50 (UTC)
 * The handling of references and external links under particular sections, such as "Demographics" and "Transportation", seems to me a little inelegant. Perhaps using footnotes would be better.
 * Some key data could be given parallel conversions to Imperial units, for those of us south of the border.
 * I note that "The Casinos of Winnipeg" isn't a link. As someone who's written a few casino articles, I suggest that this article be created.  If, as the text suggests, the casinos are funded by the government, that's an interesting subject.  Individual casinos should be added to List of casinos.
 * The alphabetization of names was inconsistent. I put it in the format I was taught was proper, namely that names beginning "McC" are alphabetized as "MacC" (presumably so that people who aren't sure which way the name is spelled can find it readily).  If you don't like that convention, go back to the old order but move Todd MacCulloch ahead of Guy Maddin.
 * Including "Winnipeg Bear" as a "personality born in Winnipeg" seems a bit of a stretch. Perhaps there could be a new subcategory, "Also notable" or some such.

Winnipeg bear as you called him wasnt "born" in winnipeg so it doesnt count

Culture and history sections can still be improved upon
Okay, I did some minor copyediting, but frankly, the article is a bit... daresay... dry. For instance, the history section is about 50% geography-centered, while the information about the 1919 strike is burrowed further below in the politics section, and could certainly be expanded upon. Didn't it change the course and direction of the city?

As far as explaining the unique character of Winnipeg, this primarily focuses on its weather and geography, rather than its culture. In the arts/culture section here's more info about "Shall We Dance" and American filmmaking than about Guy Maddin, who does all his films in Winnipeg (and who is big in Europe). Unfortunately, I live in the States and don't know Winnipeg well enough to do this piece justice, but I think there are some improvements that can be made. 67.10.131.229 7 July 2005 20:31 (UTC)

Shall We Dance was a horrible movie with an absurd plot and as a Winnipegger I would rather you not attribute that movie to my home town! The movie is set in Chicago anyways, regardless of whether or not some sections were filmed in Winnipeg.

The Winnipeg General Strike did not only change the course of the city; it affected the entire country, and some may say, the entire world. As for culture, Winnipeg is a very cultured city. I will try to put some stuff in, but it will probably be scatterbrained and messy, so it might need copyediting after I've finished. --Munchkinguy 8 July 2005 02:34 (UTC)

Mennonite Population
The Mennonite population percentage in the revision as of 19:39, 3 August 2005 was put there by 216.55.219.238 on 23:24, June 26, 2005. This anonymous user provided no source for this other than their own claim that there are 33,000 Mennonites in Winnipeg. If that were the case, the percentage would be closer to 5%, but they put in 3.4% instead (another reason not to take their claim at face value). In the religion section there is a link to the Stats Can page used as a source, if you follow the religion link on that page you will be brought here http://www12.statcan.ca/english/profil01/Details/details1rel.cfm?SEARCH=BEGINS&PSGC=46&SGC=4611040&A=&LANG=E&Province=46&PlaceName=Winnipeg&CSDNAME=Winnipeg&CMA=&SEARCH=BEGINS&DataType=1&TypeNameE=City%20%2D%20Cit%E9&ID=8144 That page does not list Mennonites directly. Since we have no reliable source for info on Mennonites at this time I am going to put the religion section in sync with the StatsCan page.Qutezuce 18:01, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Would it be acceptable to list 3.5% as other cause the math does not add up to 100%... It just urks me that someone would consider one denomination as another--Captain433180 02:03, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The reason it does not add up to 100% is stated on the page, because the religions with less than 1% are not listed. If you want to make it add up to 100% just make sure the data comes from the StatsCan page, or some other reliable source. Secondly, as the page currently is, no one is considering any denomination as another, there was one erroneous edit that put the Mennonite percentage into Protestant, but as I pointed out, that Mennonite percentage had no source. The StatsCan numbers are self reported numbers, so if a Mennonite considers themselves to be a Protestant then that is what StatsCan lists them as, or if they report themselves as other Christian, then StatsCan lists them as other Christian.Qutezuce 02:48, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

According to the 2001 Census of Canada, 2.6% of the population of the City of Winnipeg are Mennonites. That's about 16,000 people. I don't know where the 33,000 figure came from. My guess is artificial inflation to promote one's own religion.--207.161.47.89 01:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Where did this figure come from? I've not seen the word "Mennonite" on any of StatsCan pages. Qutezuce 02:02, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Census Profiles are available thanks to Statistics Canada and the Community Data Network, of which the City of Winnipeg is a member. You can access information regarding the 2001 census from the City of Winnipeg's website. The site also breaks down the populations of various neighbourhoods and areas of Winnipeg. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Look harder.--207.161.47.89 02:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Calm down there, try to be civil. I was just asking for your source, so that you're statement can be verified. Qutezuce 03:26, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Flag
Where did our flag go? --Munchkinguy 04:21, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Someone went delete crazy and got rid of a bunch...something about it being commercial or non-commercial--Captain433180 22:01, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I can explain. The image was deleted from wikipedia because it was from a website called "Flags of the world". The images are available for non-commercial use only; their copyright explains all the rules.


 * The problem is that while wikipedia allows you to make commercial use of its content, the copyright holder of this image does not. We cannot put images on wikipedia that are under a more restrictive liscense than that of wikipedia itself. Therefore, this image cannot be placed on wikipedia.  If anyone can get a FREE version of the city flag, that would be excellent. – Fudoreaper 22:46, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Winnipeg the "anus" of Canada?
Being in the centre of Canada, and the general consenses by most Canadians that Winnipeg is a hole, would'ntit be worth mentioning that many people refer to Winnipeg as the "ANUS" of Canada. After all, who realy wants to live there with the bugs, crime, extream hot and cold ect. Nobody i know would choose to live in Winnipeg,and the people who used to would"nt go back.Thats why the populations remained stagnent for 40 years.


 * OK, your comments are your own, but I feel they deserve a response. I have been to all ten provinces and the three territories of Canada as well as all of the major cities. Granted, Winnipeg does not have the best reputation (the departure of the Jets really hurt), but I have heard NO ONE ever refer to it as the "Anus" of Canada. Almost without exception, people who I have spoken to who have actually visited Winnipeg left with a more favourable impression of the city than the one they had before visiting. As for the climate, yes, the winters are very cold, but they are cold almost everywhere else in Canada and they are not nearly as miserable in Winnipeg as they are in much of Quebec and the Atlantic Provinces where there is considerably more snow, freezing rain, fog, wind, and grey skies than Winnipeg, despite being milder. As for extreme heat, it is seldom unbearably hot in Winnipeg and the summers are in general much more comfortable than in Southern Ontario or the Montreal area due to significantly less humidity and much better air quality. Also Winnipeg virtually never sees snow in August or September and frosty nights and cold days like Edmonton and Calgary experience in late summer and early fall. So climate is very subjective, if one is a snowmobile enthusiast they would have no desire to reside in Vancouver or Victoria!


 * As for nobody wanting to live here you are quite mistaken. I know many people who would die for the opportunity to live in a city where a regular working family can still afford a nice home and have no more than a 20 or 25 minute commute to work. Yes, Vancouver is beautiful, but it is hard to really enjoy it when you are stressed out about making the next payment on your $400,000 mortgage (for a house that is not particularly nice) and you are faced with living with tenants for much of your working life. In Vancouver, it's called being house poor, and most people are. Also, the recreational opportunities are excellent in Manitoba for almost every interest except downhill skiing. If I'm not mistaken, Winnipeg has the highest percentage of people who own a recreational home of any Canadian metropolitan area. I work in an office where there are people from all over Canada. Almost without fail (yes, even including the ones from BC) they enjoy living in Winnipeg because of the good and affordable quality of life,  and the friendly people. They also remark on how interesting Winnipeg is with its various neighbourhoods, beautiful old well-treed residential areas, and some great architecture. It's not modern like Calgary or Edmonton with freeways and glass towers, but it's not sterile either.  I have many friends and family in many other cities including Toronto, Minneapolis, Calgary, Vancouver, Victoria, and Melbourne, Australia and most would return to Winnipeg IF THEY COULD FIND SIMILAR EMPLOYMENT TO THE KIND THEY HAVE FOUND IN THOSE OTHER CITIES!  You see, that is the real root of Winnipeg's problem. Due to the provincial mindedness and short-sighted attitudes and policies of Manitoba's political and economic elites at least since the 1920's, Winnipeg and Manitoba do not enjoy the same economic opportunities of those other locations. I am even considering relocating myself for these reasons. You can only climb so far up the ladder in Winnipeg and the wages/salaries are ludicrously low while taxes are proportionally too high. So, essentially, a catch 22. A great place to live if you have a decent job and are not too ambitious! You are also wrong about the population over the last 40 years. In that period of time Winnipeg has grown from about 475,000 to over 700,000. Definitely slower growth than most other metro areas in Ontario and Western Canada but not overly slow compared to US metropolitan areas in the Midwest such as Omaha, Kansas City, St.Louis, Milwaukee, or even Chicago. Check yourself if you don't believe this. --207.161.40.173 06:13, 24 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I second the above notion. I love Winnipeg, I've been here for over a year, and plan to stay for lots longer.  Winnipeg is a great city.  I've lived in a few cities across the Canada, namely Saskatoon, Calgary, and Metro Halifax.  Saskatoon was also highly under rated, but not as under rated as Calgary is over rated.  I left Calgary because I literally could not stand living in the city.  Winnipeg has been welcoming to me, with low housing prices, and friendly people.  Yeah, there are some rough spots, but the city has a good heart and has a welcoming feel to it.  The weather isn't bad either.  Its not that cold compared to Saskatoon, and less bad weather and more sunshine than the east coast.  Also, summer is fantastic here compared to Calgary where you might get snowed on in July.  Close access to Lake Winnipeg, the Whiteshell, lovely character neighbourhoods, trees, 15 minute drive to work!  Music and arts scene is alive and well. --Mf135gas 04:59, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree with the original notion. Having grown up, lived away from Winnipeg and now am back for no more than two years, I can safely say that coming back was only due to family.  The idea that Winnipeg is a "fantastic city where you can live rich for cheap" not only highlights the very heart of Winnipeg's problems but also deliberatley steps in the way to omit several other details.  The incestful business and political climates here are strangling themselves to death.  Winnipeg is a city of half-measure attempts to address it's issues.  Every problem either has a book thrown at it or gets some diminished bargain-bin version of a solution from a company owned by a friend on the inside.  People who "love" Winnipeg usually have managed to crack the code to one of the closed circles and has derived a sense of belonging from this unwelcoming city...You have to sacrifice a lot of yourself to live here.

"It's not what you know, but who you know" applies just as equally in Toronto and Vancouver as it does in Winnipeg. It's just more obvious here, given the smaller size of the city. The winters are harsh, though, but could be ameliorated somewhat if the city would make a minimal effort to keep the city clean (why so much sand everywhere, and Winnipeggers, stop littering! Well, of course, the trash cans are usually overflowing). I agree that the small-mindedness of the local elite can be frustrating beyond belief at times. Does no one have any vision? Is tearing down buildings for parking lots the answer to everything? Have aesthetics absolutely no place in this part of the world? The fact that a city with a population of nearly 3/4 million has no form of rapid transit or any freeways (red lights on the Perimeter Highway, yikes! Dangerous or what?) is baffling. People who have visited from Minneapolis or other cities cannot believe this! I certainly would not want to see freeways tearing apart the urbanized area but a properly and safely constructed by-pass would be a sound economic investment. --142.161.176.111 08:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a personal opinion, nothing more. When Mayor Sam Katz and the House of Commons tells everyone that Winnipeg is the "anus" of Canada, I'll glad not delete it if it ever gets put it. Until then, it stays off of Wikipedia. I love living here. If you have a problem living here, find a way to solve it. But don't put it on here. Disinclination 03:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Answer criticism with well written argument, as was done several times above. Do not try to discredit the views of others simply by saying they do not belong in this forum. Who really cares what is said by the Mayor or the House of Commons? Do they have a monopoly on ideas and expression? --207.161.33.36 05:38, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, most of my points were already answered. Also, many don't choose to read long paragraphs (not meaning they are bad or anything). And when I referred to the Mayor, I meant that whenever Winnipeg officially becomes the 'anus' of Canada, I'll consent to putting it up. But until then, I'll disagree. Yes, Winnipeg has its ups and downs. But that certainly doesn't deserve that sort of derogatory title. No city does. I just feel it doesn't belong on Wikipedia, especially if our job here is to provide a wife variety of information, not disgusting nicknames that are not deserved. Disinclination 06:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

" Historically( Winnipeg )known as the "bullseye of the dominion" and "heart of the continent"? I've never heard anyone refer to Winnipeg as the "bullseye of the dominion" or the "heart of the continent";is there a source for this? On the contrary, I've heard many people refer to Winnipeg(in B.C. anyways)as the asshole or armpit of the universe. Sure, it's not in any text book or travel brochure, but it is commonly heard when Winnipeg comes up in conversation in these parts.

P.S; Yeah Winnipeg is a cheap place to live but so is Calcutta


 * http://www.superpages.com/global/hotels/winnipeg-canada-hotels.html, and http://www.umanitoba.ca/campus2000/introduction/index.shtml . Just Google it if you want more.

The first link gives exactly the same introduction to Winnipeg as the Wikipedia article. OK, I'm not going to argue that Winnipeg is the greatest place in the world, it has many faults, but "asshole of the universe" is going way too far. And it's not that cheap to live here, especially considering the wages are lower than in BC and Alberta. I lived in Vancouver for four years and while it is very beautiful there I really was not all that impressed to be honest. I mean $700,000 for a 1,200 square foot bungalow on the West Side, get serious, almost no one can afford that, and if you have to live anywhere else in Vancouver (save the North Shore) it's not worth it because all of the other areas are rather disgusting and dirty especially Surrey and New Westminster (talk about dumpy and there are meth camps everywhere, yes drug addicts living in tent cities on Crown land within throwing distance of people's homes). There's a lot of money there but I've never seen so much poverty or so many people who are spiritually dead even in third world countries. Also the people are somewhat reserved (read unfriendly) compared to Prairie people and the nightlife sucks, I should say ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!!! WORST OF ANY CITY IN CANADA BY FAR AND AS AN INSULT VERY EXPENSIVE!!! All people do for entertainment is get high and watch TV or a movie. There's little culture to speak of and the architecture is by and large hideous. I also really detested how smug the people were there, most of whom had never been east of the Rockies and didn't know what they were talking about, but thought they were so much better than the rest of the world. I loved the mountains though, and how green it stayed year round but I remember one winter I was there Vancouver went 55 consecutive days without one ray of sunshine. Also the summers are not nearly as nice as in Manitoba, and there's no where to swim because the water stays ice cold year round. --209.115.235.79 05:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, people... obviously the first comment was a WP:TROLL. Don't feed the quacks and they'll go away. Really. I've seen it happen. CMacMillan 06:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Crime
Someone want to change this sentence: "Winnipeggers consider crime, particularly violent crime and auto theft, to be a serious problem in their city". Cause this is really a personal judgement. Who says that Winnipeggers consider crime a seriosu problem? I live in Winnipeg and i dotn consider thsi to be a serious problem at all. Either cite a creible source or get rid of it. Also the reference to First Nations people is boderline racist.


 * A credible source was indicated for the paragraph on crime, as it was originally written. I will be re-inserting a modified version of the original paragraph. The paragraph now reads as a generic blurb which uses alot of fancy language but provides little meaningful information. How the suggestion that many First Nations people are displaced in the Winnipeg area is borderline racist is absurd. Have you walked around downtown Winnipeg of late? More frequently than any other ethnic group, First Nations people in Winnipeg suffer from social ills such as poverty, unemployment, crime, drug addiction, etc. If you NEED statistics I will gladly provide them. I do not see how speaking the truth can be considered borderline racist. You need to take your blinders off.--207.161.40.173 06:13, 24 October 2005 (UTC)


 * You're lucky. My parents' car's window has been smashed in on six separate occasions in the last 10 years and have had one theft attempt. I don't claim to be a credible source, and this is largely my own research (my own experiences) so it's not article worthy. 167.1.120.20 01:47, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Article needs a mention of Winnipeg being the murder capital of Canada. I'm not sure whether or not this is true, but everyone seems to be very proud of this piece of trivia. --10:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

As of 2004 Winnipeg had the second highest per capita murder rate in Canada, just after Regina. Believe me, I don't think very many people are proud of this fact; the more correct term is ashamed. Almost all of the murders are concentrated in the "ghettoized" areas near the City Centre as well as small parts of the North End, West End, and Elmwood, and the suburbs are generally very safe. Winnipeg is thus similar to many US Cities, such as Detroit, in that the central areas of the city are quite poor with significant de-urbanization and urban blight, with a population concentration of an economically disadvantaged ethnic group, and dissimilar to other Canadian cities such as Toronto and Vancouver, which have very healthy and affluent urban cores. --142.161.176.243 01:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I checked stats Canada's website and apparently Winnipeg has the highest murder rate per capita in 2001 and 2002, but I wouldn't say it's worth mentioning
 * http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/031001/d031001a.htm -- 01:08, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

i definitally dont consier crime a problem in west kildonan....

It depends which area you live in. If you live in The North End, The West End, Transcona or Downtown/Central, you would be more worried about crime then if you lived in Tuxedo or Fort Richmond. I think it should say that residents of certain areas of Winnipeg have a problem with crime. 142.161.89.248 07:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, Transcona has a low crime rate compared to the rest of Winnipeg, and incidentally the highest rate of home ownership in the city. As per the article, crime in Winnipeg, like in just about every other city in the world, is concentrated in areas of social disadvantage those being Downtown,  pockets of the North and West Ends (the majority of those areas are in fact quite free of crime) and to a lesser degree, Elmwood. People who have adequate resources to enjoy the so-called "good life" are much less likely to become involved in criminal behaviour, at least of the type that is targetted by law-enforcement. As for the comments below I seldom hear or read of anyone getting mugged in Winnipeg at all, let alone in River Heights or Tuxedo. I believe the statistics show that in terms of violent crime in particular the overall rate is down from the 1970s and 1980s. Unfortunately the violent crime (excluding domestic violence which is clogging up the court system and costing untold millions of dollars in wasted legal fees and economic destruction of families) that does occur in Winnipeg overwhelmingly occurs amongst one particular demographic, that being the most economically disadvantaged people in the city, a hugely disproportionate number of whom are aboriginal Canadians. Yes, Winnipeg is in one of the world's wealthiest countries but has areas that would appear right at home in many third world nations. The current mayor is running on a re-election campagin to cut business taxes because two BMW's just aren't enough and city council has voted to close community centres in poor inner city areas, while expanding those in the suburbs.  There are many people who are pleased because they'll save $5 or $10 per year in property taxes, but still they bitch about crime. The only crime that for all intensive purposes is "out of control" in Winnipeg is auto theft which by and large is committed by bored and unsupervised adolescents. It is unfortunate that so many people have bought into the "culture of fear" that business and the media are succeeding in fostering. After all it's good for sales of alarm systems, self-protection devices, etc.  --207.161.40.12 11:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia's Culture of Fear article which perfectly describes what is happening not only in Winnipeg but throughout North America. I have highlighted certain portions in bold lettering:


 * Among those tending to argue that a Culture of Fear is being deliberately manufactured might be counted linguist Noam Chomsky, sociologist Barry Glassner, political filmmakers such as Adam Curtis and Michael Moore or reporters such as Judith Miller. The motives offered for such a deliberate programme of scaremongering vary, but hinge on the potential for increased social control that a mistrustful and mutually fearing population might offer to those in power. In these accounts, fears are carefully and repeatedly created and fed by anyone who wishes to create fear, often through the manipulation of words, facts, news, sources or data, in order to induce certain personal behaviors, justify governmental actions or policies (at home or abroad), keep people consuming, elect demagogic politicians, or distract the public's attention from allegedly more urgent social issues like poverty, social security, unemployment, crime or pollution. Such commentators suggest that we consider a range of cultural processes as deliberate techniques for scaremongering. For example:

Careful selection and omission of news (some relevant facts are shown and some are not); Distortion of statistics or numbers; Transformation of single events into social epidemics; Corruption and distortion of words or terminology according to specific goals; Stigmatization of minorities, especially when associated with criminal acts or degrading behaviour; Generalization of complex and multifaceted situations; Causal inversion (turning a cause into an effect or vice-versa).

--207.161.40.12 11:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it really matters where you live in Winnipeg, I've found that everyone I know considers crime a huge problem no matter where they live. I myself like in River Heights by Wellington (much like Tuxedo) and people get mugged regularily in my neighbourhood. The crime in Winnipeg is spewing into all the areas of Winnipeg and even if don't live in a high crime area, people still have to venture out into the rest of Winnipeg where crime is a much bigger problem.

Famous Winnipeggers
What is the opinion of moving the famous Winnipeggers off the main Winnipeg page? A few prominent and famous citizens (such as Miriam Toews, David Bergen for example) could be mentioned but the rest could be listed on other pages. Just checking. A list could rather long on the main page and could easily be replaced with a "See also:". jdobbin 22:00, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, move the list to List of Winnipeggers, but keep a smaller list of the most notable or famous ones on the main Winnipeg page.
 * On another note, the category Category:Winnipegers uses only one "g", but the page List of Winnipeggers uses two "g"'s. Should we standardize on one spelling? Qutezuce 22:04, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I will look at what names should remain on the main list. Anyone feel free to include them back if you feel I've been hasty. I'll try to keep the most notable one there. As for Winnipeggers, I believe the Category:Winnipegers is an incorrect spelling but I am not in a position to change it. Is there an administrator who could change it? jdobbin 22:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * For renaming we follow the procedure at Categories for deletion. Although we should probably keep Winnipegers as a category redirect since it seems to be a common misspelling.
 * It would be nice to see something definitive that "Winnipeggers" is correct. While "Winnipeggers" gets 45,000 hits to 11,000 for "Winnipegers" on Google, there are still hits for "Winnipegers" on www.winnipeg.ca. Qutezuce 22:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I think a redirect is a good. The city of Winnipeg site make me throw up my arms when I see both spellings there. I think the style guide for the Canadian press and the CBC is Winnipeggers. We want to make sure that we get all the people looking under either heading though. My preference is Winnipeggers. I'm open to arguments for the other side but one way or the other there should be a redirect. jdobbin 22:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * If you could check the CBC or Canadian press style guide, then that would be good enough for me. Qutezuce 22:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I can't find an online version of CP Style guide but if you look up any article on google with a CP byline, it uses Winnipeggers. Likewise, the Free Press (which has its own style guide) uses Winnipeggers. I can't find any legit media outlet that makes use of a style guide using Winnipeger. In addition, google doesn't have any listing for the CBC under Winnipegers. jdobbin 00:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I have listed Category:Winnipegers on Categories for deletion for renaming.

As for an online reference I just mainly wanted to make sure you didn't misremember seeing it in a style guide or something like that. If you check one of the offline style guides it is says Winnipeggers that is fine, I don't need to see an online copy. Qutezuce 00:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Sports
It seems absurd that the sports section should focus so much on a team that left town a decade ago. Sports didn't end with the Jets; why not move it lower in prominence behind the existing teams like the Bombers, Moose, Goldeyes, Bisons, Wesmen, Rifles, and the like? -Anon.

Agreed, I'll get to work on it. I'm a sport's geek anyways >_>


 * Because the Jets were a big part of our identity, until they got sold. Now its apart of our identity as the city that lost their NHL team. The majority of people I know still talk about the Jets, either when the played or our lack of such a team. Hell, even Prime Minister Steven Harper remarked that he'd love to see the Jets back in Winnipeg. It deserves alot of focus. Now if only we could ever get a bigger arena, or more money. Disinclination 06:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * (add-on) But I agree that we really need more information on the Bombers and other teams (including Ringette, which houses the largest ringette community centre outside of Ontatio/Quebec). Disinclination 03:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Winnipeg Musical Acts
I think that musical acts with no articles associated with them ought to be removed from the main Winnipeg page. I think the convention should be that they get listed on the main page if they are known locally, or nationally or internationally and have a body of work that can be referenced in an article. Otherwise, they can be listed in List of Winnipeg Musicians. jdobbin 17:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should trim the list and list only the most notable on the main Winnipeg page, with the rest going to the seperate list page. But I don't agree that we should automatically remove a group/person if they don't have a Wikipedia article, as that may not be an accurate reflection of notability. How to determine notability I'm not sure. Qutezuce 20:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed on not removing them altogether. Just a move to the List of Winnipeg Musicians page. I hope thereafter someone can determine whether they are an actual musical group though. jdobbin 21:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've checked most of those currently listed, as far as I can tell they are real, and at least somewhat notable. Qutezuce 21:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Pictures in the Government section
I've added a section a lsting of mayor and councillors. I was thinking that a picture of City Hall would be an appropriate addition for that section. Does anyone have one? jdobbin 23:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)