Talk:Woods Fund of Chicago

SourceWatch link
Regarding points 1,12,13 of WP:ELNO: Taking these together I just don't find your objection terribly substantive. Yellow Rain (talk) 03:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 – has some validity but on balance it is a weak argument against linking to an otherwise useful external reference
 * 12 – SW does have "a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors". Further it is not an "open wiki" (a poorly defined term) in that (unlike WP) registration is required, and it has a policy that all material be strictly referenced, which is even stronger than the standards of WP.
 * 13 – this just says "the link should be directly related to the subject of the article", which it clearly is. The next sentence says "A general site that has information about a variety of subjects should usually not be linked to from an article on a more specific subject", but the again the operative word here is "usually".  There are many, many countexamples of this, eg, the Yahoo Finance links on The Vanguard Group page.
 * I disagree with your interpretations of those points. What would be the point of this link anyway? It basically has the same information that the Wikipedia article you created has. -- Scjessey (talk) 11:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

William C. Ayers
William C. Ayers is notable for being a former member of the Weather Underground, and I have tried to include that in this article, as it list what the board members are notable for and that was missing, using this phrasing: "...and former member of the Weather Underground" This is a fact and it's mentioned in his Wiki bio. Newross has repeatedly removed this information, and accused me of making "contentious edits" and "POV pushing". I find this behavior unconstructive, and frankly POV pushing in itself. The descriptions of the board members should all of what they're notable for (and not censored to the positive things), or be removed completely.Equaaldoors (talk) 03:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The Board of Directors membership descriptions I included are WP:NPOV, and taken word-for-word from the Woods Fund of Chicago Annual Reports--the subject of this article. This article has a wikilink to William C. Ayers where his biography is discussed.Newross (talk) 05:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Updating the financial information (Dec. 2008?)
I did a general cleanup, including some references to the 2006 annual report. Neither GuideStar nor the Foundation Center (http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/esearch.php) has a newer IRS Form 990PF than 2006 as of this date. The IRS received the 2006 filing in late November 2007, and it may take some months to get propagated out to GuideStar and Foundation Center. If this foundation will remain newsworthy, someone oughtta keep an eye out for the 990-PFs and the annual reports.
 * Note that the 990PF and the Annual Report offer some different numbers in different spots, e.g., $3.1 million in contributions in the annual report, $4.3m in 990 Part XII, $3.2m in Part XV.
 * Note also that the 2006 annual report (per meta data) was created September 2007, so that document may be the next to be updated. --Thatnewguy (talk) 03:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Assessment for WP:WikiProject Barack Obama
I've rated the importance as Mid because it is a minor position that Obama held. Despite the length and referencing I've rated the quality as C, because after reading the article I still have little real sense of what this organization does or who they fund. For example, I have no idea how they work to give poor people the "opportunity to shape decisions affecting them". The article would benefit from a few examples of favorite projects they've funded, some extended commentary, and perhaps photos or an infobox on Chicago charities if such can be found. Quite a bit of factual data is here, and it should take only a moderate amount of user-friendly explanation to bring the quality up a grade. Mike Serfas (talk) 03:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)