Talk:Worf

Worf and Old Earth Vehicles
"In several episodes of the TV airings of DS9 and TNG, Worf is very briefly seen in the holodeck polishing a vintage car collection... The sequences of Worf on the holodeck were removed from the DVD releases but may still be seen on rare original tape recordings of the original airings by fans, occasionally sold on Ebay..."

Wikipedia is the only place I've ever seen any mention of this, and the TV airings were far too long ago for me to remember (even though I saw every one when they originally aired). No one I speak to can recall these scenes, either, nor can we locate any list of scenes deleted for the DVD releases. (In fact, the DVDs contain many scenes that are not included in the syndication airings.) Is there any reference that can be cited for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.13.247 (talk) 23:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't remember seeing this in either show. I've seen repeats of both, and DS9 is currently being shown on digital (Virgin 1), repeatedly, going back and forth between the series.  It is possible I missed these scenes.  However, this would mean that they were rare.
 * Dannman (talk) 12:06, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

This is completely untrue. Besides the fact that all the DVD's are original broadcast episodes. In other words what you see on the Dvd's is what you saw when the show first aired. Silly statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TARDIS6 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Rozhenko
On 17 Oct 2004, 23skidoo added the comment "As a child, Worf was adopted by a human couple, the Rozhenkos, therefore his legal name is Worf Rozhenko, however he never uses it. His son, Alexander Rozhenko, does however." Was that name ever actually used in an episode? If not, then it is merely an original idea, and should be deleted, despite its being logically sound. --Keeves 04:38, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to "Worf Rozhenko" or "Alexander Rozhenko"? I am pretty sure that "Alexander Rozhenko" has been used, although I cannot recall which episode may have used it. As far as "Worf Rozhenko", perhaps we should remove that part. What would it mean to be a legal name in the Federation? &mdash; Knowledge Seeker &#2470; 04:59, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Whoops! Sorry I wasn't clear! Sure, the name "Alexander Rozhenko" has been used many times. "Worf Rozhenko" was the one I was referring to. My perception is that he uses his Klingon name - simply "Worf" with no associated family name - as an adult, but this may or may not have been how he was called as a child. Among humans, his name might have been Worf Rozhenko, but it could just as well have been Vladmir Rozhenko, Anatoly Rozhenko, or even George Rozhenko for all we know. --Keeves 11:56, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The page shows Worf's home planet as Khitomer. Although he survived the raid of this planet, I believe his back story is that he and his family were merely visiting the planet when it was attacked. Worf was actually born on Kronos, the Klingon home world.--SteveHFish 02:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

To add on to the name issue, Worf was always identified by Starfleet and Federation personnel as simply "Worf." He was identified by his fellow Klingons as "Worf, son of Mogh," so that would be his "full" name. Willie 08:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Wasn't Worf raised a Gault? Don't know if I got this from the series, but I know I've seen it in the books.Ten of Swords (talk) 20:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Worf as a full Commander?
When was Worf promoted to full Commander? I believe he was still an LCDR in Star Trek: Nemesis. A few users have posted he was a Commander. Is this accurate? -Husnock 23:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I found the answer. Per Star Trek Nemesis, the last film put out, Worf was still a Lieutenant Commander .  He also doesn't appear to have a full Commander in Star Trek: First Contact either  although eh did serve as Commanding Officer of the Defiant. -Husnock 23:58, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Worf was promoted to Lt. Commander in "First Contact", and I don't think he was promoted after that, primarily because of the failure of his mission to rescue a Cardassian double agent. --SteveHFish 02:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC) Actually, Worf was promoted to Lt. Commander in Generations. Willie 08:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

baldric
Worf's sash is symbolic of being the eldest son of his family.

Is there a reference for this? Episode or source? — THOR 29 June 2005 20:04 (UTC)
 * It seems unlikely as he continues to wear a sash after joining Martoc's(sp?) house in DS9 despite Martoc clearly being older and considering him a brother. 69.3.92.105 8 July 2005 17:46 (UTC)

Isn't it lovely how Starfleet lets him wear that gross violation of the dresscode, too, despite not having any apparent Klingon value, even though Bajorans can't wear their religious earrings? Heh, dresscode nazis. --unsigned


 * "Er, Number One, you tell him about the Uniform Code." --ScottAlanHill 04:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

According to Startrek.com Worf's sash is Actually his family seal (I Don't Know What it means either)

Worf's parents dead?
I could swear in one episode he found out that his dad in fact survived, along with the others, and he was all concerned at their apparent dishonor at surviving a failed battle and not killing themselves.. Wasn't that his dad? If it wasn't, it was somebody's dad.


 * There was a two-part episode where Worf learned of survivors of the Khitomer massacre, and believed his father might have survived the raid. However, although he found other survivors, who had been imprisoned by the Romulans, they confirmed that Worf's father was indeed killed in the original raid. --74.12.77.163 02:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

QUESTION?

"He is the only character to appear as a regular on more than one Star Trek series, was the first regular Klingon character to appear in Star Trek, and has also appeared in more Star Trek episodes than any other character."

Granted he was the first regular Klingon in Trek history, and yes he was a regular cast member, but it could be debated as to Worf appearing in more Star Trek Episodes than any other character, here are two others: 1. O’Brien he was in at least 60 TNG episodes and was in 173 DS9 episodes, (grated the 4 TNG movies, helped Worf to beat him but Movies are not episodes, should they count?) 2. Majel Barrett who was in all 5 shows as the voice of most if not all of the Federation starships, listed as the ships computer in the ending credits for all Star Trek shows doesn't that count as one role and if it doesn't why? (if the ending credits said Enterprise computer in TOS & TNG, Defiant Computer for DS9, and Voyager Computer for Voy. then Worf is the longest running ST character) if it does it is a heck of a lot more then Worf! I am not counting her "on-screen roles" as she has played multiple characters)
 * In TV speak, regular means he was listed in the opening credits. O'Brien was a recurring guest star on TNG and a regular on DS9 and Majel Barret is always a recurring guest star.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ace of Sevens (talk • contribs) 01:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

After "Nemesis"
In the -Time Line- section, there's no mention of Worf's Starfleet career after "Nemesis". I wonder, has Worf become the Enterprise E's new Second Officer? What do Star Trek books say? GoodDay 17:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

The books say, In "A Time for War, A Time for Peace" that Ambassador Worf resigns his position and rejoins Picard on the Enterprise, so Alexander can become Ambassador. It is not mentioned what his position is on the Enterprise, but considering his previous positions it is likely he become either the Chief Tatical Officer, or First Officer, as all other main cast members are either transferring or, in the case of Data, destroyed. Although there is a Data-like android, B-4 and as stated in the book, Page 317 he has Data's memories, so he could take over Data's position as Second Officer, or potentially 1st Officer. It is likely that information will be revealed in other books about Worf's position. --211.28.125.161 07:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

According to the book "A time for War, A Time for Peace" Worf was offered and accepted the position of First Officer on Captain Will Riker's new ship the USS Titan. Data was then going to be Picard's First Officer. However, when Data was destroyed in Nemesis, Picard took Worf as his first officer instead, and Riker offered the position to some broad who was the tactical officer of the Enterprise E at the time.

Colonel Worf
It is complete specualution that Colonel Worf is related Worf. Granted, they are both named Worf, and both played by the same actor, but it was never officially verified in canon. I am removing all references to this connection. - SigmaEpsilon → &Sigma;&Epsilon; 17:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Worf... What about O'Brien???
"...appeared in more Star Trek episodes than any other character (TNG years 1-7, DS9 years 4-7, Star Trek movie 7-10) and the only actor to be a regular character in two Star Trek series playing the same character"

What about O'Brien?

O'Brien wasn'T a regular character of TNG

Agreed. O'Brien was a recurring character on TNG, but Colm Meaney was never listed as a regular character until he moved to DS9.--Tiberius47 06:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Expanding the 'Duels' section
I think there are a few other things worth mentioning with regard to Worf's prowess as a warrior. For example, he did win first place at some bat-leth(sp?) competition, didn't he? And didn't he slay a number of Jem'Hadar in unarmed combat while incarcerated by the Dominion? It's also worth noting that he was unwilling to concede defeat in fighting the Jem'Hadar 'First,' even though he would have known that he was asking for death. Within the empire, Worf should have the status of a legendary warrior, shouldn't he? If someone has enough knowledge/sources to write about these things, it would be appreciated. 71.116.79.36 16:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

In "The Left Hand of Destiny" novel, it is clearly said that no one could ever hope to best Worf in a swordfight, not even the Reincarnation of Khaless (not the clone. The whole history of The Left Hand of Destiny is about the real "return of Khaless").

I think it is fitting to a good mythology. The great hero, the legendary fighter is an incredible fighter, but his main lieutenant is da best, beyond anything possible.

Memorable quotes
I removed this section. "Memorable" is subjective/non-NPOV -- strictly speaking, everything he says is to some degree memorable, and we're not going to put all his dialog there. "Notable" quotes would be more significant, but lacking a citation about what makes them memorable, that doesn't work either. Additionally, rather than offering quotes, his "aggressive and authoritarian nature, awkwardness . . . and the otherwise unintentional humor" should be (and are) articulated in the main article. Lastly, straight-up quotes should be over in Wikiquote. If someone wants to move them over there, by all means... --EEMeltonIV 11:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Campaign to improve article by removing content many agree is too much plot summary
Whats up with some user blanking 2/3rds of the article under the guise of "starting over to foster proper article growth"? This looks like border-vandalism. One usually works with other editors to improve an article, not massively blank an entire article so as to start over with what you want to write. Am I wrong? -OberRanks 02:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Still no explanation and discussion and the article was hit again. Referred to the Admin Noticeboard. -OberRanks 04:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I left notes on three user talk pages with links to this thread. The reverts to stub versions aren't vandalism, although the stub strategy is not one I would have pursued. Please discuss the issue here.--chaser - t 06:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think reverting an article to a months old version, wiping out everyone else's edits in the process, is vandalism in particular when it hasn't been discussed. Also there are now some personal attacks going on as at least one of the users involved has referred to parties unknown as a "lazy tagger".  Clear violation of WP:NPA. -OberRanks 06:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, those who actually want to improve the article are being railroaded by those who enjoy tagging for its own sake. The taggers complain that supposedly these articles don't "clearly distinguish between fact and fiction" yet they have the word "fictional" in almost every paragraph. So the people who actually want to improve the articles say, OK, let's remove much of the plot summary and see if that satisfies them. Nope, no way, the taggers then complain that it's "blanking." Cromulent Kwyjibo 21:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly! Michiganotaku added scholarly citations to the stub version, so the citations got deleted in favor of what is sometimes called "plotcruft." People enjoy complaining about how the longer version is only plot summary, so they will do anything to keep it that way. Anton Mravcek 23:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * While I'm fine with stubifying the article, the version you revert to is poorly edited, has unnecessary side notes (e.g. "Don't expand this section" -- editorial comments like that should be in hidden text) and otherwise hastily written. The long version is in-universe plot summary, the second version is simply lazy writing. Basically everyone's been sloppy and disregarding guidelines and style guides. --EEMeltonIV 23:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please note that this blanking and your attacks on the taggers may considered NPA violations and/or 3RR violations and possibly of other policies, and you may be blocked if you continue. -- FastLizard4  (Talk•Links•Sign) 05:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, don't worry about it. Anton Mravcek 02:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC) P.S. Ask Michiganotaku, what kind of articles would you work on to improve? Which articles would you not touch with a 10-foot pole?
 * Blanking is not helping. -- FastLizard4  (Talk•Links•Sign) 19:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The edit warring and the comments about the other contributors both need to stop.  Please have a civil discussion about the editorial content of the article.  Perhaps set up a sandbox to present proposed versions, and perhaps engage a mediator. Dreadstar  †  19:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The sandbox idea is awful. Why maintain a version even the taggers say is awful? The only reason there is a dispute is because some people want to keep these articles tagged no matter what. ShutterBugTrekker 19:45, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
WHat has happened to this article? I took the best of the old versions, added what was good of the most recent, and merged them. This should be a decent start.--Bedford (talk) 07:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Star Trek VI
Where's the mention that Worf was the lawyer for Kirk and McCoy during the trial on Kronos in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country? BT14 (talk) 18:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I don't really know how or where to put it but I'm watching ST VI right now and looking at Colonel Worf. They even call him by name? What's the deal, you can't tell me the hard-cores don't know about this :) Roccitman (talk) 10:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

There really should be a little tidbit about this. When I saw that movie and they called Colonel Worf up to speak for Kirk, I went to wikipedia to see if there was anything about it. Nothing. He even acts like Worf. I'm going to check the credits for Micheal Dorn... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bncywargarretthero (talk • contribs) 07:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Date of Birth
The Date of Birth seems wrong. I believe that his date of birth was Feb 8th 2340, as indicated in the Season Seven episode Parallels. I think this was corroborated by the Star Trek: Customizable Card Game as well. --Kevin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.69.247.127 (talk) 06:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Jump The Shark
Is JumpTheShark.com really relevant in any way, shape or form? Lots42 (talk) 13:24, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Books
Are the post DS9 books in continuity? Because if they are not, they should not be mentioned in the regular bio section. Lots42 (talk) 12:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Detached leave?
What does that mean? I thought Worf was just on vacation in Star Trek: Insurrection. That he was visiting his old ship when an emergency came up and Picard 're-hired' him for the duration of the emergency. As would any logical captain. Lots42 (talk) 19:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Worf's mother?
Worf's real father was Mogh, and his adoptive parents are Sergey and Helena Rozhenko. But has the name of Worf's real mother ever been mentioned? J I P | Talk 20:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Worf's mate K'Ehleyr
This article needs to include information about K'Ehleyr, his mate and mother of the child called Alexander.
 * ✅ I added sentence on this in the Family section sourced to a Star Trek book. Starspotter (talk) 16:16, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Killed the "nowrap" in the Infobox
Edit summary: ''look, this comes out "beyond silly" in my browser. Can we just follow WP:MOS and let the reader's browser decide the Infobox width?'' Truth is, I'm not even on a netbook or a cell phone; just ordinary FF 3. The Infobox was using 90% of the RH width, leaving the LH text scrunched and squirted out the bottom "beyond silly" looking. I suggest leaving the text plain without formatting templates; that way it comes out looking as best it can for everybody; rather than one editor's style preference. &mdash;Aladdin Sane (talk) 23:15, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

too elaborate and in-universy.
^· Lygophile   has   spoken  13:26, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

First Officer
editor GoingBatty added a link to the use of first officer on this page and asked for help with disambiguation. I found the most likely trek page for that information to be Starfleet ranks and insignia, however the page does not currently discuss officer titles like first officer. i have created a discussion on that pages Talk page about creating information on rank heirarchy and officer titles, we'll see where that goes. For now, I'm directing the first officer link to that page, as it is somewhat better than taking a reader to a first officer disambiguation page. Akuvar (talk) 15:51, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Pic vs. Rank?
I don't know if this is a matter of concern or not, but should it be noted that the image of Worf incorrectly represents his rank which is listed below? If I'm not mistaken, the two slid pips on his TNG uniform are indicative of "Lieutenant," yet he's listed as a "Lt. Commander," which ought to be 2 solid and 1 hollow pip. Should the caption read "then-Lieutenant" or something? I don't know if that's the best answer, but it seems a little weird to have his listed rank directly contradicted by his insignia in the current image.

Furthermore, he wasn't promoted to Lt. Commander as an operations officer (the gold uniform in the shot), but as a commanding officer (red uniform).

There are numerous instances in DS9 where his "latest" status is best illustrated i.e. red uniform with correct pips. Patrick of J (talk) 16:34, 21 September 2014 (UTC)


 * ✅ I went ahead and removed the reference to the rank from the caption, it's sufficently covered lower in the infobox... Roberticus  talk  21:07, 21 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Cool, thank you! Patrick of J (talk) 23:50, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Citations that support removal
In "Star Trek and Philosophy: The Wrath of Kant" a collection of scholarly articles, by Jason T. Eberl, Kevin S. Decker - pages 22 and 23 - the writer states that the name Worf was not inspired by Whorf but that the writers of Star Trek may have been influenced by Mr. Whorf's linguistic theories. (A free sample of the book can be found online through Google books.)

The only source I could find that says Worf is named after Mr. Whorf was Revolvy and revovly is not a reliable resource.

Mooby1231 (talk) 16:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)4/9/2018

No mention of Kurn (Worf's biological brother) in the family description?
"Kurn, played by Tony Todd, is Worf's brother and a Commander in the Klingon Defense Force in Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine." -- from Wikipedia itself; yet while Worf's adoptive brother is listed, Kurn is not mentioned.

2601:410:200:2C80:1026:B070:F021:DB66 (talk) 07:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC) ecsd

The Next Generation absences
Code of Honor Haven Goojrr (talk) 22:55, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Deep Space Nine absences
Rocks and Shoals The Magnificent Ferengi Chrysalis Prodigal Daughter Goojrr (talk) 23:08, 3 January 2024 (UTC)