Talk:Worldwide Developers Conference

WWDC before 1988?
It's stated that WWDC began in 1983, but the table of events only goes back to 1988? This makes the article a bit confusing to read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.251.100.61 (talk) 14:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * In 1988, the Apple developer conference was called the "Spring Developers Conference '88" and it was held at the Fairmont San Jose hotel in downtown San Jose, CA (I still have some of the conference materials to prove that). The first conference for Apple developers at the San Jose Convention Center was in 1989 (I don't remember exactly what it was called, but it wasn't Worldwide Developers Conference). In 1990, it was called "The 1990 Apple Worldwide Developers Conference" because Apple had been having regional developers conference around the world (Japan, Europe, etc.) before that. I was on the planning committee for the WWDC in 1990.
 * I'll see if I can get more historical proof from friends who ran the conferences in earlier years. Jumplong (talk) 17:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I verified some facts with Renee Rodrigue who was in charge of Apple's developers conferences from 1988 through 1992. Before 1988, Lia Lorenzanou had been responsible for spring and fall developers conferences.
 * After the 1988 spring conference, the decision was made to do one big conference a year, marketed worldwide, held in the Bay Area. David Szetela came up with the Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) name
 * In 1988, it was the "Spring Developers Conference '88"
 * In 1989 and after, it was the Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC). I found a '89 WWDC bag in my garage so I know that's when the name changed. Jumplong (talk) 14:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I have a letter pre-dating the first meeting on this list. It's dated April 21, 1983 and thanks attendees. I've posted it a couple of places. 107.5.218.127 (talk) 04:15, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Untitled
The 2003 WWDC was scheduled to be in San Jose from May 19-23, but the location and dates were changed at a very late date, causing some attendees to complain about having to change travel plans at the last minute. --Luciuskwok 16:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Baseline Mac Pro?
What exactly do y'all mean whhen you say "baseline" Mac Pros? Do you mean the lowest settings possible or the retail settings? 24.175.75.238 23:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Apple has assigned a baseline configuration for the Mac Pro, the 2.66 GHz, 1 Gb RAM configuration. This is the model that would be found in retail stores, all other configurations are build-to-order. Beta34 23:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Your data corresponds to the default configuration (including a 250GB 7200UPM S-ATA hard drive), which is currently priced at ca. $2500. The data in the article corresponds to the minimum configuration (i.e. what you get when you select slower processors and less hard disk capacity), which comes at a discount of several hundred dollars compared to the default configuration.
 * I also thought "baseline" refers to the default configuration, until I read the technical data in the article (which I know is the minimum). Now if the both of us got confused about this, it suggests that the wording is ambiguous. "Minimal configuration" would be more readily understood. Aragorn2 19:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * By default configuration, I mean "retail configuration", just to avoid introducing another source of confusion... It is identical to the configuration the Mac Pro online customization page defaults to. Aragorn2 19:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

NPOV
This article, especially the WWDC 2006 section, is written with a heavy bias towards Apple. Themodernizer 02:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any particular bias towards Apple. I mean, is it not an Apple event? There isn't even any issue to debate, the WWDC 2006 section is pretty much just a summary of the Keynote speech, and the reported facts and figures therein. --Beta34 23:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Huh? How exactly do you feel the article is "heavily biased" towards Apple, apart from the fact that it doesn't say how great Windows Vista will be when it finally comes out? The WWDC 2006 section is mostly just a list of market facts and product information that were announced at this event. "NPOV" does not mean "never mention anything that could make Apple products sound fun or useful", anyway. Aragorn2 19:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

2002?
I could have sworn there was a WWDC in 2002...


 * Their was, but at this point no one added information about it. I think Apple announced it stopped all development of OS 9, previewed Jaguar, and announced development of rack mounted servers; but if someone could confirm this with sources. WikipedianYknOK 03:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

2007?
I've heard that a prominent wall street analyst and some other people have made predictions as to what will happen in this years WWDC. Would that sort of thing belong here? Mathwhiz90601 09:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

WWDC 2007
About an hour or two after the World Wide Doveloper's Conference today, I updated the WWDC 07 section with the products and features that Jobs introduced today. Later, someone reverted the change. Just incase you're wondering, the WWDC 07 has already happened. It needed to be updated.

Thanks, 24.3.191.42 20:34, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Dates and Locations?
In an earlier version of the article dates & locations of earlier events were posted. Shall we add these again? Personally, I was looking for them in this article.

Locations and dates of recent WWDCs:
 * 1998, San Jose, May 11 – May 15
 * 1999, San Jose, May 10 – May 14
 * 2000, San Jose, May 15 – May 19
 * 2001, San Jose, May 21 – May 25
 * 2002, San Jose, May 6 – May 10
 * 2003, San Francisco, June 23 – June 27
 * 2004, San Francisco, June 28 – July 2
 * 2005, San Francisco, June 6 – June 10
 * 2006, San Francisco, August 7 – August 11
 * 2007, San Francisco, June 11 – June 15

WWDC 08 has rumors, not facts!
As stated above, the WWDC subsection has rumors which have not been verified by Apple. These should be removed until tommorrow, when the conference is held. Jordsta (talk) 05:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

WWDC 08 keynote address
I have the keynote address on mpg file, should & how do I put it on this page? plz contact me: Alon - evidence26@gmail.com

Rename Article
Needs to be renamed from "Worldwide Developers Conference" (implies it applies to *ALL* developers) to "Apple Worldwide Developers Conference"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.170.252.213 (talk) 04:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Stepwise
Several of the references point to stepwise.com. Stepwise.com has been deleted (not just taken offline) so those references now point to a 404. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.36.87.81 (talk) 11:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Stepwise.com References
Stepwise.com is dead, it appears. I don't know if this is from today, but it certainly came as a shock to me. LeftClicker (talk) 20:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and one more thing ...
How can an article on the Worldwide Developers Conference and not mention the introduction of the first iPhone
 * "Oh, and one more thing ... " ?


 * At WWDC 2002, Steve Jobs famously kicked off the event by giving a eulogy for Mac OS 9 as part of the transition to OS X; in 2009, Snow Leopard — the last version of OS X before Apple’s rebranding of “iPhone OS” to “iOS” — was officially unveiled at WWDC in front of over 5,200 developers; and in October 2010, Lion, the eighth major release of OS X, was formally announced and demoed at Apple’s self-hosted “Back to the Mac” media event.

http://www.macstories.net/mac/mountain-lion-the-macstories-review/

Repetitive
"In 2004, WWDC 2004 took place from June 28 to July 2." "In 2005, WWDC 2005 took place from June 6 to June 10." "In 2006, WWDC 2006 took place from August 7 to August 11 in Moscone West, San Francisco with the keynote presentation hosted by Steve Jobs." "In 2007, WWDC 2007 took place from June 11 to June 15 in Moscone West, San Francisco with the keynote presentation hosted by Steve Jobs." "In 2008, WWDC 2008 took place from June 9 to June 13 at Moscone West, San Francisco." "In 2009, WWDC 2009 took place from June 8 to June 12 at Moscone West, San Francisco" "WWDC 2010 was held at Moscone West, San Francisco from June 7 to June 11, 2010." "In 2011, WWDC 2011 was held at Moscone West, San Francisco from June 6 to June 10, 2011." "In 2012, WWDC 2012 is scheduled to be held at Moscone West, San Francisco from June 11 to June 15, 2012."

You get my point? :) Shouldn't we put the dates and locations into a table? 109.91.182.215 (talk) 11:59, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I concur gujamin (talk) 21:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

References for the "Description" section
The "Description" section is marked as lacking of references. The only reference I could find about "All attendees have to sign a non-disclosure agreement covering the sessions and other material handed out at WWDC" is the following:

Content presented at WWDC is subject to your applicable Apple Developer Program agreement(s). Taking photographs, recording video and engaging in any form of live blogging during WWDC sessions is expressly prohibited.

Arturotena (talk) 03:49, 6 April 2013 (UTC)


 * That section no longer exists, and I can't see any claim about signing an NDA. The only section marked with any complaints about references is now the History section, which is marked as having not enough references.  So this issue appears to be resolved. Guy Harris (talk) 05:22, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Break each WWDC into a separate header
This page is a disaster currently. I highly suggest that instead of having a broad "2010s" section, that each event would get their own section on this page. This would simplify it a lot, and make it a pleasant read. More images would be great too. --Pauldunahoo (talk) 20:00, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * This page is still a disaster and in desperate need of citations, at the very least. I have revised as much as I could today, including removal of numerous repeat Wiki links, but a lot of further work is required.--Soulparadox (talk) 08:31, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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"new object-based graphics layer (NSBezier)" ?
There's an NSBezierPath class that draws - you guessed it - "bezier paths", but the only google hits for NSBezier by itself turn out to be just dropping the "Path" part or adding an unnecessary space between the words. And a bezier path was just one thing you could draw in an NSGraphicsContext. I'd fix it, but I don't know what this is actually supposed to be talking about Jamoche (talk) 19:34, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 5 June 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved. -- Vaulter 20:37, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Apple Worldwide Developers Conference → Worldwide Developers Conference – Per WP:COMMONNAME. WWDC is rarely referred to as "Apple Worldwide Developers Conference"; that term yielded 16,500 results on Google News while "Worldwide Developers Conference" yielded 42,700 results. Additionally, this recent press release from Apple calls the event "Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference", not "Apple Worldwide Developers Conference", and notice that the initialism is WWDC and not AWWDC. Thus, "Apple" is a wholly unnecessary disambiguation. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:38, 5 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. >>>  Extorc . talk  05:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Weakly Support - For what it's worth, the article was, originally, called "Worldwide Developers Conference", and somebody suggested in that it be renamed to "Apple Worldwide Developers Conference", and  it was moved back in October 2008 - and Apple do refer to it as "The Apple Worldwide Developers Conference" on the WWDC 2022 home page.
 * However, I find the WP:COMMONNAME/"unnecessary disambiguation" argument a little more convincing than the "but it's not a conference for all software developers in the world, it's for developers for Apple systems" argument.
 * So I can see both sides of the argument. (This may end up being the first place that the name choice is discussed here on the talk page. It's a good thing that it's finally being discussed rather than moved as shown above, moved back in 2012, and then unmoved shortly afterwards, all without discussion.) Guy Harris (talk) 05:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I see no merit in bringing up comments made over a decade ago. Times change, most everyone can draw the connection WWDC between Apple in this day and age. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Weak Oppose per 's statement that it's not for all the developers. Rusty4321  talk contributions log 21:36, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * There is not a single other (notable) event called "Worldwide Developers Conference" besides Apple's. If we kept the "Apple" part for this article, might as well rename iPhone to Apple iPhone and CarPlay to Apple CarPlay. It is an unneeded disambiguation that serves no purpose to readers. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not my statement, it's a statement from an anonymous editor. Given that I voted "weakly support", I don't consider it a particularly compelling statement - at least not as compelling as "everybody calls it WWDC and knows what's being talked about", which I suspect was true even back in 2008 when the statement was made. Guy Harris (talk) 22:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Apple Inc. has been notified of this discussion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Technology has been notified of this discussion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment - I've relisted because I want more than 2 opinions for consensus on this page which is rather big in size. >>> Extorc . talk  05:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Listing winners of the Swift Student Challenge
I removed this list of winners of the Swift Student Challenge because it seems like excessive detail. I'm noting this here so anyone else can chime in with thoughts (pro, con, comments, etc.) DFlhb (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * It may seem like excessive detail, but it's probably useful to have here since pulling archives of Apple's website would be a pain. I tend to err on having too much information rather than not enough.  People can always collapse or skip.  Just my 2¢. gujamin (talk) 22:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What if we Combine the two tables?
 * {| class="wikitable"

!Year !Winners !Merch rewards
 * 2020
 * Sofia Ongele, Palash Taneja, Devin Green
 * Jacket, pin set
 * 2021
 * Gianna Yan, Abinaya Dinesh, Damilola Awofisayo
 * Hoodie, cap, pin set
 * 2022
 * Jones Mays II, Angelina Tsuboi, Josh Tint
 * Hoodie, cap, pin set, AirPods Pro
 * 2023
 * Marta Michelle Caliendo, Yemi Agesin, Asmi Jain
 * Sweatshirt, pin set, AirPods Pro
 * }
 * Daniel Maak (talk) 13:34, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I just don't think it's encyclopedically relevant. Even the table of merch rewards is probably excessive detail that should be removed (WP:MINORASPECT). Both go against the spirit (though not really the wording) of WP:INDISCRIMINATE, since they're contextless facts that are likely to interest few readers (except the winners' families), and the table will just grow every year and give more space to this pretty unimportant info. There's also WP:BLPNAME. Their names haven't been widely disseminated (only mentioned in breaking news stories) and their participation in the challenge doesn't necessary mean that they're interested in public attention. I prefer to avoid naming names of non-notable people when it's not relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the topic. DFlhb (talk) 13:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Sweatshirt, pin set, AirPods Pro
 * }
 * Daniel Maak (talk) 13:34, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I just don't think it's encyclopedically relevant. Even the table of merch rewards is probably excessive detail that should be removed (WP:MINORASPECT). Both go against the spirit (though not really the wording) of WP:INDISCRIMINATE, since they're contextless facts that are likely to interest few readers (except the winners' families), and the table will just grow every year and give more space to this pretty unimportant info. There's also WP:BLPNAME. Their names haven't been widely disseminated (only mentioned in breaking news stories) and their participation in the challenge doesn't necessary mean that they're interested in public attention. I prefer to avoid naming names of non-notable people when it's not relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the topic. DFlhb (talk) 13:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)